I don’t agree with everything in the post, but, the generally point is humans don’t reliably mean the same thing by “consciousness” (Critch claims it’s actually quite common rather than a rare edge case, and that there 17 somewhat different things people turn out to mean). So, be careful while having this argument.
[...] I do not find this post very persuasive though
Yes, The Dao of Bayes’s post is unpersuasive. Unfortunately, so is your response to it. That’s because you’re linking to Critch’s post, which is itself unpersuasive and (in my opinion) totally confused and confusing because of the broken methodology it employs. I am entirely unconvinced that the “Conflationary Alliances” idea actually maps onto anything true and useful in the territory.
I have explained why before, and so have other people. And while I’m not writing this comment with the intent of relitigating these matters, I also recall writing the following in my comment I just linked to:
Normally, I wouldn’t harp on that too much here given the passage of time (water under the bridge and all that), but literally this entire post is based on a framework I believe gets things totally backwards. Moreover, I was very (negatively) surprised to see respected users on this site apparently believing your previous post was “outstanding” and “very legible evidence” in favor of your thesis.
I dearly hope this general structure does not become part of the LW zeitgeist for thinking about an issue as important as this.
From my perspective, the fewer people link to Critch’s posts as a standard explainer of the state of consciousness discourse, the better.
Yes, The Dao of Bayes’s post is unpersuasive. Unfortunately, so is your response to it. That’s because you’re linking to Critch’s post, which is itself unpersuasive and (in my opinion) totally confused and confusing because of the broken methodology it employs. I am entirely unconvinced that the “Conflationary Alliances” idea actually maps onto anything true and useful in the territory.
I have explained why before, and so have other people. And while I’m not writing this comment with the intent of relitigating these matters, I also recall writing the following in my comment I just linked to:
From my perspective, the fewer people link to Critch’s posts as a standard explainer of the state of consciousness discourse, the better.