So… yeah, technically these things are connected, but sometimes the connection is real and strong, and sometimes it’s just “both of them sound kinda sci-fi to me”.
As far as I remember (may be misremembering), to the extent that their memetic genealogy analysis holds water, there was little bit more common origin than I expected.
But ofc I agree that the entire thing is just an ideological carpet bombing via guilt by (often overblown) association.
What is the “industrial & philanthropic complex”? Doesn’t it include… pretty much everything? I mean, most things are produced by industry, and most non-profits accept donations. Should we consider Bill Gates a part of TESCREAL? He had a software company, and he donated to charities.
I didn’t mean all of industry or all of philanthropy. I was pointing at their perception that there is a cluster of futuristic privileged dudes, fractions constantly bickering, and having some views on AGI, industry-ing and philanthropy-ing.
(Possibly first time in my life I feel like I’m overcharitably steelmanning Torres & Gebru on TESCREAL. Is this even worse than I’m giving them credit for?)
OK, so something like “businessmen who impose their crazy ideas on the world through philanthropy”. (As opposed to businessmen who just want to make money; or philanthropy for the sake of philanthropy without trying to remodel the world according to some ideology.)
Basically Soros, only with Thiel instead of Soros. :)
As far as I remember (may be misremembering), to the extent that their memetic genealogy analysis holds water, there was little bit more common origin than I expected.
But ofc I agree that the entire thing is just an ideological carpet bombing via guilt by (often overblown) association.
I didn’t mean all of industry or all of philanthropy. I was pointing at their perception that there is a cluster of futuristic privileged dudes, fractions constantly bickering, and having some views on AGI, industry-ing and philanthropy-ing.
(Possibly first time in my life I feel like I’m overcharitably steelmanning Torres & Gebru on TESCREAL. Is this even worse than I’m giving them credit for?)
OK, so something like “businessmen who impose their crazy ideas on the world through philanthropy”. (As opposed to businessmen who just want to make money; or philanthropy for the sake of philanthropy without trying to remodel the world according to some ideology.)
Basically Soros, only with Thiel instead of Soros. :)