@Shouperflous: Wrong again — “[The fallacy of the] Argument from authority… requires that the [statement by the] authority be, itself, used as “evidence” [to support] a claim” — FALSE.
Example demonstrating @Shouperflous is misunderstanding the characteristics of the Argument from Authority — I claim that “the easiest person to fool is yourself”. As evidence for my claim I cite Richard Feynman, see[1]”. This is a well formed not fallacious argument. Therefore this is not fallacious use of Argument from Authority. QED: @Shouperman does not understand the Argument from Authority.
The thing is, that’s not a well-formed, non-fallacious argument. Your “evidence” in this scenario consists entirely of the fact that someone famous has also made the claim; that’s the very definition of an argument from authority!
It’s also not an argument, let alone an argument from authority. It’s a claim.
Also, your edit of my statement changes the actual meaning of the statement, it doesn’t clarify it in any way. I said what I meant and was more correct in that instance.
Argument from authority has to do with the authority, not the statement by the authority. Your edit demonstrates a fundamental failure to grasp what “argument from authority” really means.
@Shouperfluous: If you don’t like my clarification[1] of your statement then I challenge you to rewrite your claim that “Argument from authority does not require the authority be false, it requires that the authority be, itself, used as ‘evidence’ of a claim.” so that the statement makes sense and is responsive to my search for a “magisterial rebuttal, that I can cite in the future”.
1) Do you really not understand that a “magisterial rebuttal” is a statement from a person who speaks authoritatively by the topic being addressed? Do you really believe that a “magisterial rebuttal” entails only “the authority be, itself [cf. a statement by the authority], used as “evidence” of a claim”? REALLY?
2) “Argument from authority [sic. the fallacy of the appeal to false authority] has to do with the authority”—FALSE. As we cannot read minds, reference to an authority (a real authority on the topic at hand or a false authority) of necessity reference a statement, claim, or argument made by the authority and not the authority himself.
Ref. [1] “[The fallacy of the] Argument from authority… requires that the [statement by the] authority be, itself, used as “evidence” [to support] a claim”
@Shouperflous: Wrong again — “[The fallacy of the] Argument from authority… requires that the [statement by the] authority be, itself, used as “evidence” [to support] a claim” — FALSE.
Example demonstrating @Shouperflous is misunderstanding the characteristics of the Argument from Authority —
I claim that “the easiest person to fool is yourself”.
As evidence for my claim I cite Richard Feynman, see[1]”.
This is a well formed not fallacious argument.
Therefore this is not fallacious use of Argument from Authority.
QED: @Shouperman does not understand the Argument from Authority.
Ref.
[1] https://www.google.com/books/edition/Surely_You_re_Joking_Mr_Feynman_Adventur/7papZR4oVssC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=The+first+principle+is+that+you+must+not+fool+yourself+and+you+are+the+easiest+person+to+fool.++Richard+P.+Feynman&pg=PA343&printsec=frontcover
The thing is, that’s not a well-formed, non-fallacious argument. Your “evidence” in this scenario consists entirely of the fact that someone famous has also made the claim; that’s the very definition of an argument from authority!
It’s also not an argument, let alone an argument from authority. It’s a claim.
Also, your edit of my statement changes the actual meaning of the statement, it doesn’t clarify it in any way. I said what I meant and was more correct in that instance.
Argument from authority has to do with the authority, not the statement by the authority. Your edit demonstrates a fundamental failure to grasp what “argument from authority” really means.
@Shouperfluous: If you don’t like my clarification[1] of your statement then I challenge you to rewrite your claim that “Argument from authority does not require the authority be false, it requires that the authority be, itself, used as ‘evidence’ of a claim.” so that the statement makes sense and is responsive to my search for a “magisterial rebuttal, that I can cite in the future”.
1) Do you really not understand that a “magisterial rebuttal” is a statement from a person who speaks authoritatively by the topic being addressed? Do you really believe that a “magisterial rebuttal” entails only “the authority be, itself [cf. a statement by the authority], used as “evidence” of a claim”? REALLY?
2) “Argument from authority [sic. the fallacy of the appeal to false authority] has to do with the authority”—FALSE. As we cannot read minds, reference to an authority (a real authority on the topic at hand or a false authority) of necessity reference a statement, claim, or argument made by the authority and not the authority himself.
Ref.
[1] “[The fallacy of the] Argument from authority… requires that the [statement by the] authority be, itself, used as “evidence” [to support] a claim”