Act against convictions: At no point did I suggest that Eugine must agree or state he agrees that he shouldn’t have downvoted people.
No, but you did suggest that he might be asked to take action to explicitly reverse the effects of downvoting people:
Eugine could be asked as part of staying on site to go through and reverse all of his own downvotes.
I would agree that merely asking him to refrain from mass downvoting would not constitute pressure to act against his convictions; however, asking him to reverse his previous downvotes would.
As things stand now, from what has been stated, Eugine has not been offered a choice, he is being compelled to not participate.
Yes; he is being compelled to take the null action. The ability to post a comment on a given web site is not a right that can be fought for—it is a privilege that is extended at the whim of the administrators and moderators of the website in question. Removing that privilege from someone who has shown a pattern of abusing it does not seem unfair.
I wonder what a CEV made from the 3 of us in this conversation would wind up looking like when it comes to these values. Would it come down to majority rules?
Hmmm… it would probably be more complicated than that. I highly value the ability to express one’s true opinions, and in case of trouble I prefer to minimise damage if possible. I highly disvalue social pressure to express, through words or actions, an opinion different to one’s own as if it were one’s own.
It seems that you highly value freedom of choice, and are willing to accept a compromise in the opinions you express as long as you have the option of choosing that compromise. It also appears that, in case of trouble, you prefer to give other actors the chance to self-modify to reduce future trouble, and highly disvalue removing the freedom of choice from someone.
I think Error’s values may be closer to mine than yours; I don’t see, in this conversation, any major differences between myself and him (probably mainly because we agree on the correct action in this situation)
If you put all of those together, I think you’ll end up with a values function that highly values both freedom of choice and freedom of expressed opinion (both important freedoms) - but which of those two would be the most highly valued I cannot say (due to insufficient information).
No, but you did suggest that he might be asked to take action to explicitly reverse the effects of downvoting people:
I would agree that merely asking him to refrain from mass downvoting would not constitute pressure to act against his convictions; however, asking him to reverse his previous downvotes would.
Yes; he is being compelled to take the null action. The ability to post a comment on a given web site is not a right that can be fought for—it is a privilege that is extended at the whim of the administrators and moderators of the website in question. Removing that privilege from someone who has shown a pattern of abusing it does not seem unfair.
Hmmm… it would probably be more complicated than that. I highly value the ability to express one’s true opinions, and in case of trouble I prefer to minimise damage if possible. I highly disvalue social pressure to express, through words or actions, an opinion different to one’s own as if it were one’s own.
It seems that you highly value freedom of choice, and are willing to accept a compromise in the opinions you express as long as you have the option of choosing that compromise. It also appears that, in case of trouble, you prefer to give other actors the chance to self-modify to reduce future trouble, and highly disvalue removing the freedom of choice from someone.
I think Error’s values may be closer to mine than yours; I don’t see, in this conversation, any major differences between myself and him (probably mainly because we agree on the correct action in this situation)
If you put all of those together, I think you’ll end up with a values function that highly values both freedom of choice and freedom of expressed opinion (both important freedoms) - but which of those two would be the most highly valued I cannot say (due to insufficient information).