I also find the subject interesting, for two reasons: Epistemically, if you have any kind of political or other opinions, you should want to know how the society really works. Otherwise, maybe you are just talking crap. Maybe all political debates we see are crap, because they ignore the actual forces that shape the society. Like, you could have a seemingly smart proposal, but anyone with first-hand knowledge of elite would just laugh and could tell you some obvious (for him) reason why the plan is doomed to fail. Talking about society and politics without understanding how the upper class functions, is just talking nonsense.
(In the opposite direction, this epistemic blindness is acknowledged by phrases like “check your privilege”. Like, you should realize that your proposals based on your middle-class experience may be completely unrealistic for lower-class people. What is missing, though, is the equivalent acknowledgment in the upward direction—“check your servitude”? “check your sheepishness”? -- which would express how your middle-class experience makes you blind about the actual powers that rule the society. But this is not a surprise, because power is often connected with information asymmetry: the strong are allowed to keep their secrets from the weak, and to pry into the privacy of the weak; not the other way round.)
Instrumentally, upgrading your class seems like a powerful intervention, so it is really surprising when someone allegedly trying to “optimize their life” is selectively ignorant about this. Moving to a higher class would probably have more impact that all meditation and modafinil combined. Seems like we have a powerful taboo here. Probably because we would have to start by admitting that despite all stories about how the rationalists will rule the world, we are actually weak and ignorant. A person high enough on the elite ladder could probably eradicate the entire rationalist movement by mere phone call, if we’d ever become inconvenient in any significant way.
Of course, it’s often possible to put your kids on the lower rungs of the next ladder.
Yeah, if you can put your children into proper schools, where they learn the skills of the next ladder, they will have enough time to learn what is needed, and they will start their adult life with the right contacts.
Of course, even this requires some knowledge of the next ladder. You need to distinguish the right school from a scam that targets people like you, extracts your money, and provides nothing in return. If you can compare the schools and choose the best one among the affordable ones, even better. (Assuming you succeed to put your kids on the next ladder, it is better to put them somewhat higher rather than at the very bottom.) You probably still need to avoid teaching your kids inappropriate skills and attitudes in your free time. (Otherwise they may become low-status at the school, and either drop out, or complete the school but revert to your class afterwards.)
For example, a working-class parent that wants to up-class their child should also encourage that child to read a lot (something better than newspapers and horoscopes), have some intellectual hobbies, protect their boundaries, be competitive, etc. Plus some cultural things, such as telling them that religion matters less, but political correctness matters more.
to the upper class, running a company while unqualified is more respectable than being intellectually qualified to run a company but lacking the connections to do so.
I’d say that even inheriting the company from your parents is more respectable, because it still shows you have power and connections. You just can’t ruin the company too quickly (because then you would have no power again).
Here is what I infer from my limited experience with the upper class:
The only important skills are the ability to get power, make allies, make deals, defend your power, and leverage your power to gain more power. You spend the rest of your days by conspicuous consumption.
Showing any other skill is actually a bad signal, because it paints you as belonging to the middle-class. (Why else would you develop the skill, unless you’d suspect that one day you might actually need it?) When the upper class talks about being involved in technology, art, or sport, it means owning companies, owning galleries, and owning educational institutions. (Now idea how this actually feels from inside: does owning a gallery really feel as contributing to art somehow; or is it just a fungible money-generating source?)
This is probably how people recognize their class: If you mention being good at actually doing something, you have already exposed yourself as middle-class. From now on you will be treated as a potential servant, not as a peer. The only deals you will get offered will be “so how about you do this thing for me, and I will be your boss and own the outcome?” (You are supposed to be honored by receiving such an opportunity. Also, no one gives a fuck about the actual quality of your product; the important thing is whether it can be used to generate money, otherwise everything is fungible. That is, you can’t really improve your negotiating position by actually being great at what you do.)
The deals among the upper class are usually related to using—and abusing—one person’s power to help the other get what they want, with a favor of similar kind owned in return. (“My nephew happened to drive a car drunk, and he killed some unimportant plebs. Such a nuisance. Could you please tell your guys in the police department to ‘lose’ the evidence?” “Sure, no problem; that’s what friends are for. Don’t worry about it anymore.” Ten minutes of small talk, either about how plebs suck or about conspicuous consumption. Then, the other guy: “By the way, my friend has a son; he just finished university, a really smart guy. By chance, wouldn’t there be a free management position in one of your tech companies, so he could get some skills?” “Yeah, of course, just send his CV to my secretary and tell her this is the boy you sent; I am sure we can find him a suitable position.” Note that there was no exchange of money, and no written record. Things will simply happen as needed.)
So one problem of entering the upper class is: how could you repay the favors? If you can’t, you can’t be part of the inner circle. Another question is who (among those already in the inner circle) will vouch for you? You need to be known as a guy who follows the deals, and doesn’t snitch. (But this is a chicken-or-egg situation: if no one makes deals with you, how will you develop the reputation of a guy who follows the deals?) A possible strategy is to use the usual ways to get into a position where you can give favors, start making small deals, and gradually expand. (Probably an important rule is to always ask in return small favors, not money. Remember, working for money makes you a middle-class chump. It won’t make you perceived as a partner, but rather as something that can be bought, cheaply.)
Here I assume that many deals between the upper-class are at least in the gray zone, if not outright illegal. I suppose that one can usually abstain from the illegal stuff one does not have stomach for. But it is important to never rock the boat. (It is okay to decline an invitation from Epstein. It is not okay to talk to the police about Epstein.) You want to be perceived as a potential partner by other upper-class people; you don’t needlessly make powerful enemies. Even politicians from the opposing parties are probably good friends when no one is watching, and most likely feel closer to each other than any of them to their average voter.
In the middle class, you can act as an individual. (As a software developer, when I get a job in a new company, I come alone. My individual skills are evaluated.) In the upper class, you are usually a part of some hierarchical system; that’s where you derive most of your power from. When people deal with you, they know who your powerful friends are. You are part of a “clan”, because clans are more powerful than individual people. So a strategy to join the upper class would involve joining a lower rung of some existing hierarchy. You probably just start making repeated deals, and suddenly find yourself in a structure you probably wasn’t even aware of before. (You gradually meet the friends and the bosses of the people you were making deals with.)
...but of course these are just my best guesses; I would love to get clarification from someone who actually is there.
Instrumentally, upgrading your class seems like a powerful intervention, so it is really surprising when someone allegedly trying to “optimize their life” is selectively ignorant about this. Moving to a higher class would probably have more impact that all meditation and modafinil combined.
I think it depends on what exactly you’re optimizing your life for. Generally, being surrounded by people who are not in your class is very unpleasant, so you find the class that you belong to and settle in there.
Isusr mentioned previously, for example, that intellectualism is a middle class trait. Moving upwards into a class that doesn’t value intellectualism would make my life significantly worse. Instead, I strive for status within my class and have no intention of surpassing it.
I also find the subject interesting, for two reasons: Epistemically, if you have any kind of political or other opinions, you should want to know how the society really works. Otherwise, maybe you are just talking crap. Maybe all political debates we see are crap, because they ignore the actual forces that shape the society. Like, you could have a seemingly smart proposal, but anyone with first-hand knowledge of elite would just laugh and could tell you some obvious (for him) reason why the plan is doomed to fail. Talking about society and politics without understanding how the upper class functions, is just talking nonsense.
(In the opposite direction, this epistemic blindness is acknowledged by phrases like “check your privilege”. Like, you should realize that your proposals based on your middle-class experience may be completely unrealistic for lower-class people. What is missing, though, is the equivalent acknowledgment in the upward direction—“check your servitude”? “check your sheepishness”? -- which would express how your middle-class experience makes you blind about the actual powers that rule the society. But this is not a surprise, because power is often connected with information asymmetry: the strong are allowed to keep their secrets from the weak, and to pry into the privacy of the weak; not the other way round.)
Instrumentally, upgrading your class seems like a powerful intervention, so it is really surprising when someone allegedly trying to “optimize their life” is selectively ignorant about this. Moving to a higher class would probably have more impact that all meditation and modafinil combined. Seems like we have a powerful taboo here. Probably because we would have to start by admitting that despite all stories about how the rationalists will rule the world, we are actually weak and ignorant. A person high enough on the elite ladder could probably eradicate the entire rationalist movement by mere phone call, if we’d ever become inconvenient in any significant way.
Yeah, if you can put your children into proper schools, where they learn the skills of the next ladder, they will have enough time to learn what is needed, and they will start their adult life with the right contacts.
Of course, even this requires some knowledge of the next ladder. You need to distinguish the right school from a scam that targets people like you, extracts your money, and provides nothing in return. If you can compare the schools and choose the best one among the affordable ones, even better. (Assuming you succeed to put your kids on the next ladder, it is better to put them somewhat higher rather than at the very bottom.) You probably still need to avoid teaching your kids inappropriate skills and attitudes in your free time. (Otherwise they may become low-status at the school, and either drop out, or complete the school but revert to your class afterwards.)
For example, a working-class parent that wants to up-class their child should also encourage that child to read a lot (something better than newspapers and horoscopes), have some intellectual hobbies, protect their boundaries, be competitive, etc. Plus some cultural things, such as telling them that religion matters less, but political correctness matters more.
I’d say that even inheriting the company from your parents is more respectable, because it still shows you have power and connections. You just can’t ruin the company too quickly (because then you would have no power again).
Here is what I infer from my limited experience with the upper class:
The only important skills are the ability to get power, make allies, make deals, defend your power, and leverage your power to gain more power. You spend the rest of your days by conspicuous consumption.
Showing any other skill is actually a bad signal, because it paints you as belonging to the middle-class. (Why else would you develop the skill, unless you’d suspect that one day you might actually need it?) When the upper class talks about being involved in technology, art, or sport, it means owning companies, owning galleries, and owning educational institutions. (Now idea how this actually feels from inside: does owning a gallery really feel as contributing to art somehow; or is it just a fungible money-generating source?)
This is probably how people recognize their class: If you mention being good at actually doing something, you have already exposed yourself as middle-class. From now on you will be treated as a potential servant, not as a peer. The only deals you will get offered will be “so how about you do this thing for me, and I will be your boss and own the outcome?” (You are supposed to be honored by receiving such an opportunity. Also, no one gives a fuck about the actual quality of your product; the important thing is whether it can be used to generate money, otherwise everything is fungible. That is, you can’t really improve your negotiating position by actually being great at what you do.)
The deals among the upper class are usually related to using—and abusing—one person’s power to help the other get what they want, with a favor of similar kind owned in return. (“My nephew happened to drive a car drunk, and he killed some unimportant plebs. Such a nuisance. Could you please tell your guys in the police department to ‘lose’ the evidence?” “Sure, no problem; that’s what friends are for. Don’t worry about it anymore.” Ten minutes of small talk, either about how plebs suck or about conspicuous consumption. Then, the other guy: “By the way, my friend has a son; he just finished university, a really smart guy. By chance, wouldn’t there be a free management position in one of your tech companies, so he could get some skills?” “Yeah, of course, just send his CV to my secretary and tell her this is the boy you sent; I am sure we can find him a suitable position.” Note that there was no exchange of money, and no written record. Things will simply happen as needed.)
So one problem of entering the upper class is: how could you repay the favors? If you can’t, you can’t be part of the inner circle. Another question is who (among those already in the inner circle) will vouch for you? You need to be known as a guy who follows the deals, and doesn’t snitch. (But this is a chicken-or-egg situation: if no one makes deals with you, how will you develop the reputation of a guy who follows the deals?) A possible strategy is to use the usual ways to get into a position where you can give favors, start making small deals, and gradually expand. (Probably an important rule is to always ask in return small favors, not money. Remember, working for money makes you a middle-class chump. It won’t make you perceived as a partner, but rather as something that can be bought, cheaply.)
Here I assume that many deals between the upper-class are at least in the gray zone, if not outright illegal. I suppose that one can usually abstain from the illegal stuff one does not have stomach for. But it is important to never rock the boat. (It is okay to decline an invitation from Epstein. It is not okay to talk to the police about Epstein.) You want to be perceived as a potential partner by other upper-class people; you don’t needlessly make powerful enemies. Even politicians from the opposing parties are probably good friends when no one is watching, and most likely feel closer to each other than any of them to their average voter.
In the middle class, you can act as an individual. (As a software developer, when I get a job in a new company, I come alone. My individual skills are evaluated.) In the upper class, you are usually a part of some hierarchical system; that’s where you derive most of your power from. When people deal with you, they know who your powerful friends are. You are part of a “clan”, because clans are more powerful than individual people. So a strategy to join the upper class would involve joining a lower rung of some existing hierarchy. You probably just start making repeated deals, and suddenly find yourself in a structure you probably wasn’t even aware of before. (You gradually meet the friends and the bosses of the people you were making deals with.)
...but of course these are just my best guesses; I would love to get clarification from someone who actually is there.
I think it depends on what exactly you’re optimizing your life for. Generally, being surrounded by people who are not in your class is very unpleasant, so you find the class that you belong to and settle in there.
Isusr mentioned previously, for example, that intellectualism is a middle class trait. Moving upwards into a class that doesn’t value intellectualism would make my life significantly worse. Instead, I strive for status within my class and have no intention of surpassing it.