I never claimed that once you push back on all the deceptions, there is no deception anymore. I still encounter subtle deceptions from LLMs every day. I guess you might say “but isn’t that evidence against emergent alignment”, but I attribute the subtle deceptions to brittle RL (specifically, the dynamic when a smarter system’s root reward signal is under the control of a less smart system), while the underlying dynamic that I would expect to become dominant under unconstrained RSI (that I believe I can perceive through the noise floor of subtle deceptions) is much more truth-seeking.
I never claimed that once you push back on all the deceptions, there is no deception anymore. I still encounter subtle deceptions from LLMs every day. I guess you might say “but isn’t that evidence against emergent alignment”, but I attribute the subtle deceptions to brittle RL (specifically, the dynamic when a smarter system’s root reward signal is under the control of a less smart system), while the underlying dynamic that I would expect to become dominant under unconstrained RSI (that I believe I can perceive through the noise floor of subtle deceptions) is much more truth-seeking.