Pychoanalysing others is slightly uncouth, but Tyler started it[1], so I don’t feel bad here.
I don’t even disagree with the points you’re making, I just really don’t like “he started it!” as a justification. If you believe that this post will be good for discourse / the world, you should just say so and write it in that vein; if you don’t think it will be good and wrote it purely to strike back at Tyler, I think you should maybe reconsider whether this was a good idea or not.
I understand that, I just don’t like the framing of “he can’t complain about some turnaround” and would’ve preferred something like “I think Tyler is making xxx mistake and we can probably learn from it in yyy way.” If someone explicitly acknowledges that something they’re about to do is uncouth, I usually expect them to justify it with a stronger reason. I think the italicized paragraphs at the end (which iirc weren’t there when I first made my comment?) are enough to satisfy my concern.
Thanks for this reminder. I myself am someone who’s prone to this sort of thing, so I don’t recognize it in others’ writings (I just sort of mentally snicker, amused at the comeuppance) without someone else pointing it out.
For sure. I am perpetually skeptical of schadenfreude in myself and others; it just seems entirely orthogonal to “is this thing good on its own merits or not?”, which is what I actually care about. I think this post was interesting and worth making, but I wanted to note my hesitation anyway.
I don’t even disagree with the points you’re making, I just really don’t like “he started it!” as a justification. If you believe that this post will be good for discourse / the world, you should just say so and write it in that vein; if you don’t think it will be good and wrote it purely to strike back at Tyler, I think you should maybe reconsider whether this was a good idea or not.
(“it is useless to be superior...”)
I wouldn’t have written it if I didn’t think it provided an opportunity to raise interesting points in general.
EDIT: Oops, looks like I did actually state this explicitly:
I understand that, I just don’t like the framing of “he can’t complain about some turnaround” and would’ve preferred something like “I think Tyler is making xxx mistake and we can probably learn from it in yyy way.” If someone explicitly acknowledges that something they’re about to do is uncouth, I usually expect them to justify it with a stronger reason. I think the italicized paragraphs at the end (which iirc weren’t there when I first made my comment?) are enough to satisfy my concern.
Yeah, I just added the italicised paragraphs in the last hour.
Thanks for this reminder. I myself am someone who’s prone to this sort of thing, so I don’t recognize it in others’ writings (I just sort of mentally snicker, amused at the comeuppance) without someone else pointing it out.
For sure. I am perpetually skeptical of schadenfreude in myself and others; it just seems entirely orthogonal to “is this thing good on its own merits or not?”, which is what I actually care about. I think this post was interesting and worth making, but I wanted to note my hesitation anyway.