Yeah, you and I agree that people can clearly distinguish between my senses 1 and 2. I was responding to Paradiddle, who I read as conflating the two — he defines “conscious” as both “awake and aware” and as “there is something it [is] like to be us”. I could have been clearer about this.
I believe grad students and Less Wrong users in these conversations are usually working with sense 2, but in fact sense 2 is multiple things and different people mean different things, to the extent they mean anything at all.
Paradiddle claims to the contrary that practically everyone in these conversations is talking about the same thing and just has different intuitions about how it works. But you seem to disagree with Paradiddle? Are you saying that Critch’s subjects aren’t talking about what you mean by “conscious”?
Paradiddle, who I read as conflating the two — he defines “conscious” as both “awake and aware” and as “there is something it [is] like to be us”
Or it could be that believes, as a factual matter, that one necessarily implies the other. I won’t pretend to mind read him, though.
Are you saying that Critch’s subjects aren’t talking about what you mean by “conscious”?
I’m saying I suspect Critch was not careful enough in how he posed his questions to the people he was interviewing to ensure that they understood[1] the question was about “consciousness-LW” and not “consciousness-general,” which includes “consciousness-MD.”
Yeah, you and I agree that people can clearly distinguish between my senses 1 and 2. I was responding to Paradiddle, who I read as conflating the two — he defines “conscious” as both “awake and aware” and as “there is something it [is] like to be us”. I could have been clearer about this.
I believe grad students and Less Wrong users in these conversations are usually working with sense 2, but in fact sense 2 is multiple things and different people mean different things, to the extent they mean anything at all.
Paradiddle claims to the contrary that practically everyone in these conversations is talking about the same thing and just has different intuitions about how it works. But you seem to disagree with Paradiddle? Are you saying that Critch’s subjects aren’t talking about what you mean by “conscious”?
Or it could be that believes, as a factual matter, that one necessarily implies the other. I won’t pretend to mind read him, though.
I’m saying I suspect Critch was not careful enough in how he posed his questions to the people he was interviewing to ensure that they understood[1] the question was about “consciousness-LW” and not “consciousness-general,” which includes “consciousness-MD.”
Even though most (but not all) of them seem to have grasped the task regardless