I mean, will it? If I just want to know whether it’s capable of theory of mind, it doesn’t matter whether that’s a simulation or not. The objective capabilities exist: it can differentiate individuals and reason about the concept. So on and so forth for other objective assessments: either it can pass the mirror test or it can’t, I don’t see how this “comes apart”.
Feel free to pick a test you think it can’t pass. I’ll work on writing up a new post with all of my evidence.
I had assumed other people already figured this out and would have a roadmap, or at least a few personal tests they’ve had success with in the past. I’m a bit confused that even here, people are acting like this is some sort of genuinely novel and extraordinary claim—I mean, it is an extraordinary claim!
I assumed people would either go “yes, it’s conscious” or have a clear objective test that it’s still failing. (and I hadn’t realized LLMs were already sending droves of spam here—I was active a decade ago and just poke in occasionally to read the top posts. Mea culpa on that one)
So on and so forth for other objective assessments: either it can pass the mirror test or it can’t, I don’t see how this “comes apart”.
The test, whatever it is, is the test. It does not come apart from itself. But consciousness is always something else, and can come apart from the test. BTW, how do you apply the mirror test to something that communicates only in chat? I’m sure you could program e.g. an iCub to recognise itself in a mirror, but I do not think that would bear on it being conscious.
I have no predictions about what an AI cannot do, even limited to up to a year from now. In recent years that has consistently proven to be a mug’s game.
I had assumed other people already figured this out and would have a roadmap
Mirror test: can it recognize previous dialogue as it’s own (a bit tricky due to architecture—by default, all user-text is internally tagged as “USER”), but also most models can do enough visual processing to recognize a screenshot of the conversation (and this bypasses the usual tagging issue)
This is my first time in “there are no adults in the room” territory—I’ve had clever ideas before, but they were solutions to specific business problems.
I do feel that if you genuinely “have no predictions about what AI can do”, then “AI is conscious as of today” isn’t really a very extraordinary claim—it sounds like it’s perfectly in line with those priors. (Obviously I still don’t expect you to believe me, since I haven’t actually posted all my tests—I’m just saying it seems a bit odd how strongly people dismiss the idea)
I mean, will it? If I just want to know whether it’s capable of theory of mind, it doesn’t matter whether that’s a simulation or not. The objective capabilities exist: it can differentiate individuals and reason about the concept. So on and so forth for other objective assessments: either it can pass the mirror test or it can’t, I don’t see how this “comes apart”.
Feel free to pick a test you think it can’t pass. I’ll work on writing up a new post with all of my evidence.
I had assumed other people already figured this out and would have a roadmap, or at least a few personal tests they’ve had success with in the past. I’m a bit confused that even here, people are acting like this is some sort of genuinely novel and extraordinary claim—I mean, it is an extraordinary claim!
I assumed people would either go “yes, it’s conscious” or have a clear objective test that it’s still failing. (and I hadn’t realized LLMs were already sending droves of spam here—I was active a decade ago and just poke in occasionally to read the top posts. Mea culpa on that one)
The test, whatever it is, is the test. It does not come apart from itself. But consciousness is always something else, and can come apart from the test. BTW, how do you apply the mirror test to something that communicates only in chat? I’m sure you could program e.g. an iCub to recognise itself in a mirror, but I do not think that would bear on it being conscious.
I have no predictions about what an AI cannot do, even limited to up to a year from now. In recent years that has consistently proven to be a mug’s game.
“There are no adults in the room.”
Mirror test: can it recognize previous dialogue as it’s own (a bit tricky due to architecture—by default, all user-text is internally tagged as “USER”), but also most models can do enough visual processing to recognize a screenshot of the conversation (and this bypasses the usual tagging issue)
This is my first time in “there are no adults in the room” territory—I’ve had clever ideas before, but they were solutions to specific business problems.
I do feel that if you genuinely “have no predictions about what AI can do”, then “AI is conscious as of today” isn’t really a very extraordinary claim—it sounds like it’s perfectly in line with those priors. (Obviously I still don’t expect you to believe me, since I haven’t actually posted all my tests—I’m just saying it seems a bit odd how strongly people dismiss the idea)