I’m not really even pointing directly at the object level thing of “feeling love for everyone/the universe”, I’m thinking about something a bit more meta. It’s something like “I hold the problem of induction in high regard, and I place a lot of probability mass on the idea that I have not explored the space of hypotheses sufficiently well. I think that somewhere out there there is a frame that fits the universe/everyone past and present with high accuracy which also showcases the good qualities that were always present in the universe/everyone past and present”. I saw this Kirkegaard quote once about someone who is exactly like a police detective, but instead of trying to find guilt or crimes he tries his hardest to find love in everyone and everything, and I guess it’s related to that.
Hmm. I will mull over that. But even if such a frame were to exist (it probably does, because there are an infinite number of hypotheses that fit any set of observations), I doubt I would want to subscribe to it without good reason. For example, let’s say there was a tiger trying to eat me, or a man trying to murder me for my wallet. I would understand their hunger, their desperation, but I do not see myself loving them or wanting to love them. I understand this is a personal topic, and probably one that boils down to fundamental values too, in a manner not easily changed by rational argumentation for either of us.
Oh yeah, the competitive frame is dominant when you might die/are trapped in a zero sum struggle (for various reasons). But there is also a reason to take a love/cooperative frame, such as when you are embarking on a collaborative venture. And the chance to switch the frames of others offers a chance for effectively giving moloch a bloody nose (which, given your opinions on dmt entities, you might be in favour of).
Fair. I will note that you do not need to “love” another entity to engage in positive sum/pro-social trade (from a game theoretical perspective), but I suppose that affection and empathy makes it easier. At least oils the gears a bit.
I’m not really even pointing directly at the object level thing of “feeling love for everyone/the universe”, I’m thinking about something a bit more meta. It’s something like “I hold the problem of induction in high regard, and I place a lot of probability mass on the idea that I have not explored the space of hypotheses sufficiently well. I think that somewhere out there there is a frame that fits the universe/everyone past and present with high accuracy which also showcases the good qualities that were always present in the universe/everyone past and present”. I saw this Kirkegaard quote once about someone who is exactly like a police detective, but instead of trying to find guilt or crimes he tries his hardest to find love in everyone and everything, and I guess it’s related to that.
Hmm. I will mull over that. But even if such a frame were to exist (it probably does, because there are an infinite number of hypotheses that fit any set of observations), I doubt I would want to subscribe to it without good reason. For example, let’s say there was a tiger trying to eat me, or a man trying to murder me for my wallet. I would understand their hunger, their desperation, but I do not see myself loving them or wanting to love them. I understand this is a personal topic, and probably one that boils down to fundamental values too, in a manner not easily changed by rational argumentation for either of us.
Oh yeah, the competitive frame is dominant when you might die/are trapped in a zero sum struggle (for various reasons). But there is also a reason to take a love/cooperative frame, such as when you are embarking on a collaborative venture. And the chance to switch the frames of others offers a chance for effectively giving moloch a bloody nose (which, given your opinions on dmt entities, you might be in favour of).
Fair. I will note that you do not need to “love” another entity to engage in positive sum/pro-social trade (from a game theoretical perspective), but I suppose that affection and empathy makes it easier. At least oils the gears a bit.