depends. if the center of gravity of the site is towards free dialogue, then it’s fine. for example, we can make it somewhat taboo to have an echo chamber on LW; then, sometimes some people have a good reason to delete things, but they can’t stop the rest of the site from discounting them, so they have to weigh the tradeoff. if only 10% of the site is under various strict mod regimes, and the rest of the 90% sometimes discusses ways those regimes are biased, it seems fine.
Hmm I see. I think I agree that it would be fine in that particular case. I just think it’s dangerous to have a mindset like “I won’t be misled if I’m aware of the risks,” just because that mindset can justify staying in toxic environments, and that the norm should be avoided generally, even if it’s technically tolerable in low doses.
(Anecdotally, I’ve seen many people explicitly cite the signposting logic ⇒ spend too much time on X ⇒ fall victim to Twitter Brain ⇒ become epistemically (and emotionally) worse because of it.)
Agree with the general vibe, disagree with the specific example: I don’t think signposting echo chambers makes you immune to them.
depends. if the center of gravity of the site is towards free dialogue, then it’s fine. for example, we can make it somewhat taboo to have an echo chamber on LW; then, sometimes some people have a good reason to delete things, but they can’t stop the rest of the site from discounting them, so they have to weigh the tradeoff. if only 10% of the site is under various strict mod regimes, and the rest of the 90% sometimes discusses ways those regimes are biased, it seems fine.
Hmm I see. I think I agree that it would be fine in that particular case. I just think it’s dangerous to have a mindset like “I won’t be misled if I’m aware of the risks,” just because that mindset can justify staying in toxic environments, and that the norm should be avoided generally, even if it’s technically tolerable in low doses.
(Anecdotally, I’ve seen many people explicitly cite the signposting logic ⇒ spend too much time on X ⇒ fall victim to Twitter Brain ⇒ become epistemically (and emotionally) worse because of it.)