Errr… neither? I was answering the ‘problem’ part, as quoted. It has its own rating and everything! I will go along with whatever association with 3 and 4 that ortho intended ‘Problem’ to have. It applies to 3 in as much as it involves the question “why do they only draw?” but far more interestingly to the variant in 4 when they get thrashed.
“Gur GQG ntragf qba’g ybfr. Lbh tnir gurz fbzrguvat gb znkvzvfr naq gurl znkvzvfrq vg. Gurl qvq abg znkvzvfr na ragveryl qvssrerag ceboyrzf bs znxvat gurve qrfpraqnagf unir gur uvturfg cebcbegvba bs gur cbchyngvba be znxvat gurve trareny pynff bs qrpvfvba gurbevfg unir gur uvturfg cebcbegvba.” is the natural answer to 3, and question 4 is distinguished from question 3 and I think elicits a better answer that adds to the discussion in a way the answer to question 3 wouldn’t if one were to say “that which was wrong with question 3, is also wrong with question 4″. An autistic reading of that answer applies to question 4, and isn’t wrong, but there’s more to say.
“Gurl qvqa’g ybbx nurnq” is something you can’t say about 3, that you can say about 4, for had they done that in 3, it wouldn’t increase their score, while they need to do that in 4 to increase their score (above zero).
Gung’f abg dhvgr evtug, yrffqnmrq; va gur fvghngvba jvgu GQGf naq QrsrpgObgf, gur GQGf jbhyq vapernfr gurve cbchyngvba snfgre va gur ybat eha vs gurl ershfrq gb nyybj QrsrpgObgf gb serr-evqr. Nyfb, vs gurl qvq fb, gurve cebcbegvba jbhyq evfr gb bar vafgrnq bs fgvpx ng bar unys.
Good point. I missed that since the number goes to infinity as the trials do regardless.
If you could devise a problem where the obvious flaw in “GQG fubhyq orng gur fbpxf bss bs QrsrpgObgf va nal snve svtug.” alone would be implicated, that would be good, since it really is a different one than snvyvat gb ybbx nurnq.
The OP appears to conflate them, so I did too, see: “(Easy to verify if you’ve done Problem 2.)”, but there is no problem 2, just an exercise 2. My comment “distinguish between problems 3 and 4″ should really have read “distinguish between exercises 3 and 4”, sorry.
I hadn’t realized that for some number less than infinite iterations (and every higher number) in problem 3, snvyher gb ybbx nurnq would be important, so my comment is based on that error on my part. I overlooked it because for all iterations less than that high number, it isn’t at all important. It is a legitimate thing to say from one with that specific wrong thought, so...whence “Lrf, V qvq erpragyl qvfnterr jvgu lbh ba n qvssrerag guernq”? I was going to say “you conflated the cases, I think you are wrong” but soft-pedaled it as much as I could, to be “you should distinguish” rather than “You are wrong” or “I think you are wrong”. It turns out I was wrong, so...?
It is a legitimate thing to say from one with that specific wrong thought, so...whence “Lrf, V qvq erpragyl qvfnterr jvgu lbh ba n qvssrerag guernq”?
I could not understand why you had been continuing to target which of 3 and 4 I was responding to when I was actually targeting “P: ”. It especially didn’t make sense to me since “Problem: ” seemed to be relevant to both 3 and 4 with 4 (just) being a somewhat exaggerated version of 3 that really emphasized the ‘paradox’. It did not occur to me that you could just be wrong about 3. Take that as flattery of your intellect!
I also didn’t pick up that you were trying to say that I was wrong in a nice way. Because the possibility that I was wrong about something so obvious just wasn’t primed as a likely intent. ;)
It turns out I was wrong, so...?
That is sad for past you but doubly good for present you because you updated when ortho explained!
Errr… neither? I was answering the ‘problem’ part, as quoted. It has its own rating and everything! I will go along with whatever association with 3 and 4 that ortho intended ‘Problem’ to have. It applies to 3 in as much as it involves the question “why do they only draw?” but far more interestingly to the variant in 4 when they get thrashed.
“Gur GQG ntragf qba’g ybfr. Lbh tnir gurz fbzrguvat gb znkvzvfr naq gurl znkvzvfrq vg. Gurl qvq abg znkvzvfr na ragveryl qvssrerag ceboyrzf bs znxvat gurve qrfpraqnagf unir gur uvturfg cebcbegvba bs gur cbchyngvba be znxvat gurve trareny pynff bs qrpvfvba gurbevfg unir gur uvturfg cebcbegvba.” is the natural answer to 3, and question 4 is distinguished from question 3 and I think elicits a better answer that adds to the discussion in a way the answer to question 3 wouldn’t if one were to say “that which was wrong with question 3, is also wrong with question 4″. An autistic reading of that answer applies to question 4, and isn’t wrong, but there’s more to say.
“Gurl qvqa’g ybbx nurnq” is something you can’t say about 3, that you can say about 4, for had they done that in 3, it wouldn’t increase their score, while they need to do that in 4 to increase their score (above zero).
Gung’f abg dhvgr evtug, yrffqnmrq; va gur fvghngvba jvgu GQGf naq QrsrpgObgf, gur GQGf jbhyq vapernfr gurve cbchyngvba snfgre va gur ybat eha vs gurl ershfrq gb nyybj QrsrpgObgf gb serr-evqr. Nyfb, vs gurl qvq fb, gurve cebcbegvba jbhyq evfr gb bar vafgrnq bs fgvpx ng bar unys.
Good point. I missed that since the number goes to infinity as the trials do regardless.
If you could devise a problem where the obvious flaw in “GQG fubhyq orng gur fbpxf bss bs QrsrpgObgf va nal snve svtug.” alone would be implicated, that would be good, since it really is a different one than snvyvat gb ybbx nurnq.
Lrf, V qvq erpragyl qvfnterr jvgu lbh ba n qvssrerag guernq. Ubjrire zl pbzzrag urer fgvyy nccyvrf gb “Ceboyrz: ”, abg “Rkrepvfr 3″ be “Rkrepvfr 4”. Gur eryngvbafuvc bs zl ercyl gb rvgure bs gubfr bgure rkrepvfrf vf jungrire eryngvbafuvc vg vaurevgrq sebz “Ceboyrz: ” vgfrys naq jungrire ryfr unccraf gb nevfr cheryl ol pbvapvqrapr. Vs V jnagrq gb nyfb gnyx nobhg Rkrepvfr 3 naq 4 gurer ner znal bgure guvatf V pbhyq jevgr nobhg gurz!
The OP appears to conflate them, so I did too, see: “(Easy to verify if you’ve done Problem 2.)”, but there is no problem 2, just an exercise 2. My comment “distinguish between problems 3 and 4″ should really have read “distinguish between exercises 3 and 4”, sorry.
I hadn’t realized that for some number less than infinite iterations (and every higher number) in problem 3, snvyher gb ybbx nurnq would be important, so my comment is based on that error on my part. I overlooked it because for all iterations less than that high number, it isn’t at all important. It is a legitimate thing to say from one with that specific wrong thought, so...whence “Lrf, V qvq erpragyl qvfnterr jvgu lbh ba n qvssrerag guernq”? I was going to say “you conflated the cases, I think you are wrong” but soft-pedaled it as much as I could, to be “you should distinguish” rather than “You are wrong” or “I think you are wrong”. It turns out I was wrong, so...?
I could not understand why you had been continuing to target which of 3 and 4 I was responding to when I was actually targeting “P: ”. It especially didn’t make sense to me since “Problem: ” seemed to be relevant to both 3 and 4 with 4 (just) being a somewhat exaggerated version of 3 that really emphasized the ‘paradox’. It did not occur to me that you could just be wrong about 3. Take that as flattery of your intellect!
I also didn’t pick up that you were trying to say that I was wrong in a nice way. Because the possibility that I was wrong about something so obvious just wasn’t primed as a likely intent. ;)
That is sad for past you but doubly good for present you because you updated when ortho explained!