Also, I suspect the release of new features at the same time as new visuals contributed to users’ inference that what’s been done so far constituted “everything.”
Agreed. As you and others have pointed out, a post like this one would have helped a lot. I have learned.
Before making a few specific replies, let me further explain why I went through the posted suggestions in that manner.
For what it’s worth, I did what you did, and we worked from a Freemind map very similar to your list, organised/weighted by upvotes, our estimate of effort required, and our personal desire to implement the features we worked on. I should have made that more public.
I did not realize that the help page had been wikified…
I’ve been intentionally circumspect about the wikification, to try to leave the three wikified pages open as long as we can. I expect that soon enough the spammers will find them, and we’ll have to lock them down as protected pages. For those paying close attention, see this.
I do not agree that #27, handling footnotes, is expensive.
I’m not sure that separating upvotes and downvotes constitutes the desired polling solution; the discussion in that comment thread indicated a desire to separate polling and karma entirely.
It is my intention that agree/disagree has no karma attached. I think it very plausible that agree/disagree won’t work as I hope it will for polling… but the test is as cheap as ordering which we implement first. Since we plan to implement agree/disagree anyway, we get the experiment for free.
You did not remark on comment previews.
I agree that preview would be nice. What we have now works pretty well, so I’m judging this feature as low benefit/cost. Your suggested solution would be easy to implement, but I think would be confusing to users.
Didn’t notice this has gone live. Luke edited in the wiki source of about page what I think is just terribly wrong, and now it’s the site’s about page, but it’s 5:40 AM and I can’t figure out a way of undoing the problem without removing the content. From the page:
Community norms Twelve Virtues of Rationality summarizes the core norms of Less Wrong: … There are also community norms about how to use words. For example: don’t sneak in connotations or endlessly debate definitions.
These are not norms, these are skills, and there is no hope or point in enforcing them, particularly absent understanding the purpose.
It’s like saying that believing that ZFC is consistent is a community norm in a math seminar. Doesn’t sound at all right.
I was not a lone actor. The new About page I wrote was approved by SI.
(Which to some extent does indeed mean you’re not a lone actor, but it’s worth noting that SI approval isn’t much of an argument in favor of the About page’s quality. (Just wanted to make sure people didn’t assume you were making an argument from authority.))
I assume “I can’t figure out a way of undoing the problem” speaks to finding the right words for the about page. The technical way to solve the problem is to edit the wiki page (with the right words, whatever those may be), then wait a few hours or be logged in to LW and click the “Force reload from wiki” button at the bottom of the about page.
Agreed. As you and others have pointed out, a post like this one would have helped a lot. I have learned.
For what it’s worth, I did what you did, and we worked from a Freemind map very similar to your list, organised/weighted by upvotes, our estimate of effort required, and our personal desire to implement the features we worked on. I should have made that more public.
I’ve been intentionally circumspect about the wikification, to try to leave the three wikified pages open as long as we can. I expect that soon enough the spammers will find them, and we’ll have to lock them down as protected pages. For those paying close attention, see this.
Code contributions are welcome :)
It is my intention that agree/disagree has no karma attached. I think it very plausible that agree/disagree won’t work as I hope it will for polling… but the test is as cheap as ordering which we implement first. Since we plan to implement agree/disagree anyway, we get the experiment for free.
I agree that preview would be nice. What we have now works pretty well, so I’m judging this feature as low benefit/cost. Your suggested solution would be easy to implement, but I think would be confusing to users.
Agreed. I have learned.
Didn’t notice this has gone live. Luke edited in the wiki source of about page what I think is just terribly wrong, and now it’s the site’s about page, but it’s 5:40 AM and I can’t figure out a way of undoing the problem without removing the content. From the page:
These are not norms, these are skills, and there is no hope or point in enforcing them, particularly absent understanding the purpose.
It’s like saying that believing that ZFC is consistent is a community norm in a math seminar. Doesn’t sound at all right.
I was not a lone actor. The new About page I wrote was approved by SI.
The community norms are both norms and skills. I have seen them enforced by the community hundreds of times.
I’ve just edited out the phrase “community norms” from the “about” page.
I like what you’ve come up with. Thanks.
(Which to some extent does indeed mean you’re not a lone actor, but it’s worth noting that SI approval isn’t much of an argument in favor of the About page’s quality. (Just wanted to make sure people didn’t assume you were making an argument from authority.))
I assume “I can’t figure out a way of undoing the problem” speaks to finding the right words for the about page.
The technical way to solve the problem is to edit the wiki page (with the right words, whatever those may be), then wait a few hours or be logged in to LW and click the “Force reload from wiki” button at the bottom of the about page.