Because I’m being asked to pity them? Yes, the comments are nominally phrased as, “Oh, here is a possible case of people being biased even when it would pay not to be”, but the obvious tone is, “poor women, no one will make clothes for them even when there’s money to be made”.
That’s a plausible motivation. But use of the term “pity party” could have implied that you were trivializing the concerns of fat women, which is probably why you got downvoted. Really, I think you were just trying to add another, similar concern: people with wide feet. If you’d just said “people with wide feet have a similar problem,” I don’t think you would have gotten a negative reaction.
And frankly, when the asymmetic bra issue came up, I got pretty scared. Some of the commenters—and I’m not going to single anyone out—sound like really angry people in general and I fear that being around them would make their rage spill on to me.
I don’t share this perception.
Also, are you going to take back your pretense of ignorance about shoe prejudice?
“Pretense of ignorance” sounds like you are making an accusation of bad faith.
I hate watching you make good points that get downvoted because of the emotional or interpersonal content in them.
Rather than try to fix everyone’s thought processes on the spot, I prefer to instead demonstrate a rational thought process myself (with an interpersonally likable communication stye), in hopes that people will want to embody or engage with this sort of thought process. Pull, rather than push.
That’s a plausible motivation. But use of the term “pity part” could have implied that you were trivializing the concerns of fat women,
I am trivializing the concerns of fat women! Or rather, I’m showing them what they look like to people with higher status, by highlighting their perception of my concern, which society trivializes. How did fat women feel when I started whining about my wide feet (which I do have)? Well, that’s how society regards them.
Hopefully, it sheds some light on why society ignores your concerns, when you realize they’re just doing what you would do in the same position. (you in the general sense)
I would love for my fashion problems to be solvable with exercise, or even by saving up for liposuction. What’s their excuse?
The real difference is that fat women have turned self-pity over their fashion woes into an art form, while wide-footed people haven’t.
I don’t share this perception.
Good. It was satire to make a point. The people who are being mocked know who they are.
“Pretense of ignorance” sounds like you are making an accusation of bad faith.
I hope so! Here’s what happened:
Me: I have wide feet, which makes me unable to buy an item important for attractiveness. Why no sympathy for me? Nancy: Huh? I don’t see any prejudice against people with wide feet! Me: Like I just said, the wide feet cause inability to compete on shoe quality, where people do have prejudice. Nancy: [ignores the point in reply] Me: Wait, what happened to the “I don’t see any prejudice” line? You: *Gasp!* Did you just accuse Nancy of acting in bad faith? How dare you!
Weirdly enough, fat women really already understand how their concerns look to people with higher status. Why did you think it was important to underline this?
You could solve your problems with money—and no risk to your health—by getting custom made shoes.
Weirdly enough, fat women really already understand how their concerns look to people with higher status. Why did you think it was important to underline this?
Because I don’t think they do understand. They don’t give a damn about the people one rung lower on the social ladder, and they’re surprised when the people on the rung above do the same? The answer’s staring them in the face! (or mind, as the case may be)
You could solve your problems with money—and no risk to your health—by getting custom made shoes.
And fat women could just buy custom made clothing. That’s not addressing the point, is it?
That’s a plausible motivation. But use of the term “pity party” could have implied that you were trivializing the concerns of fat women, which is probably why you got downvoted. Really, I think you were just trying to add another, similar concern: people with wide feet. If you’d just said “people with wide feet have a similar problem,” I don’t think you would have gotten a negative reaction.
I don’t share this perception.
“Pretense of ignorance” sounds like you are making an accusation of bad faith.
I hate watching you make good points that get downvoted because of the emotional or interpersonal content in them.
Rather than try to fix everyone’s thought processes on the spot, I prefer to instead demonstrate a rational thought process myself (with an interpersonally likable communication stye), in hopes that people will want to embody or engage with this sort of thought process. Pull, rather than push.
I am trivializing the concerns of fat women! Or rather, I’m showing them what they look like to people with higher status, by highlighting their perception of my concern, which society trivializes. How did fat women feel when I started whining about my wide feet (which I do have)? Well, that’s how society regards them.
Hopefully, it sheds some light on why society ignores your concerns, when you realize they’re just doing what you would do in the same position. (you in the general sense)
I would love for my fashion problems to be solvable with exercise, or even by saving up for liposuction. What’s their excuse?
The real difference is that fat women have turned self-pity over their fashion woes into an art form, while wide-footed people haven’t.
Good. It was satire to make a point. The people who are being mocked know who they are.
I hope so! Here’s what happened:
Me: I have wide feet, which makes me unable to buy an item important for attractiveness. Why no sympathy for me?
Nancy: Huh? I don’t see any prejudice against people with wide feet!
Me: Like I just said, the wide feet cause inability to compete on shoe quality, where people do have prejudice.
Nancy: [ignores the point in reply]
Me: Wait, what happened to the “I don’t see any prejudice” line?
You: *Gasp!* Did you just accuse Nancy of acting in bad faith? How dare you!
Weirdly enough, fat women really already understand how their concerns look to people with higher status. Why did you think it was important to underline this?
You could solve your problems with money—and no risk to your health—by getting custom made shoes.
Because I don’t think they do understand. They don’t give a damn about the people one rung lower on the social ladder, and they’re surprised when the people on the rung above do the same? The answer’s staring them in the face! (or mind, as the case may be)
And fat women could just buy custom made clothing. That’s not addressing the point, is it?