Incidentally I’ve tried to get very smart colleagues in decision theory to take the TDT/UDT material seriously, but the lack of a really clear statement of these ideas seems to get in the way.
Just in case you haven’t seen it, here is Eliezer’s Timeless Decision Theory paper. It’s over a hundred pages so i’d hope that it represents a “clear statement”. (Although i can’t personally comment on anything in it because i don’t currently have time to read it.)
That’s the one. I sent it to five of the world’s leading decision theorists. Those who I heard back from clearly hadn’t grasped the main idea. Given the people involved, I think this indicates that the paper isn’t a sufficiently clear statement.
It’s somewhat painful to read. I’ve tried to read it in the past and get a bit eyesore after the first twenty pages.
Doing the math, I realize it’s probably irrational for Yudkowsky-san to spend time learning LaTeX or some other serious typesetting system, but I can dream, right?
May the karma flow through you like so many grains of sand through a sieve.
Not quite sure how this one works. Usually I associate sieve with “leaking like a sieve”, generally a bad thing—do you want all his karma to be assassinated away as fast as it comes?
I hope this is corrected later in the paper and my apologies if this is a stupid question but could you please explain how the example of gum chewing and abscesses makes sense?
That is, in the explanation you are making your decision based on evidence. Indeed, you’d be happy—or anyone would be happy—to hear you’re chewing gum once the results of the second study are known. How is that causal and not evidential?
I see later in the paper that gum chewing is evidence for the CGTA gene but that doesn’t make any sense. You can’t change whether or not you have the gene and the gum chewing is better for you at any rate. Still confused about the value of the gum chewing example.
The LaTeX to format a document like that can be learnt in an hour or two with no previous experience, assuming at least basic technically-minded smarts.
Just in case you haven’t seen it, here is Eliezer’s Timeless Decision Theory paper. It’s over a hundred pages so i’d hope that it represents a “clear statement”. (Although i can’t personally comment on anything in it because i don’t currently have time to read it.)
That’s the one. I sent it to five of the world’s leading decision theorists. Those who I heard back from clearly hadn’t grasped the main idea. Given the people involved, I think this indicates that the paper isn’t a sufficiently clear statement.
It’s somewhat painful to read. I’ve tried to read it in the past and get a bit eyesore after the first twenty pages.
Doing the math, I realize it’s probably irrational for Yudkowsky-san to spend time learning LaTeX or some other serious typesetting system, but I can dream, right?
Your dream has come true.
Happiness is too general a term to express my current state of mind.
May the karma flow through you like so many grains of sand through a sieve.
Not quite sure how this one works. Usually I associate sieve with “leaking like a sieve”, generally a bad thing—do you want all his karma to be assassinated away as fast as it comes?
Oh, no. Lukeprog is the sieve, and the grains of sand are whatever fraction of a hedon he gets from being upvoted.
I hope this is corrected later in the paper and my apologies if this is a stupid question but could you please explain how the example of gum chewing and abscesses makes sense?
That is, in the explanation you are making your decision based on evidence. Indeed, you’d be happy—or anyone would be happy—to hear you’re chewing gum once the results of the second study are known. How is that causal and not evidential?
I see later in the paper that gum chewing is evidence for the CGTA gene but that doesn’t make any sense. You can’t change whether or not you have the gene and the gum chewing is better for you at any rate. Still confused about the value of the gum chewing example.
The LaTeX to format a document like that can be learnt in an hour or two with no previous experience, assuming at least basic technically-minded smarts.
And the learning (and formatting of the document) does not have to be done by the author of the document.