I agree that human values are more accretive like this, but I would also call those genes “terminal” in the same sense that I call some of my own goals “terminal.” E.g., I can usually ask myself why I’m taking a given action and my brain will give a reasonable answer: “because I want to finish this post,” “because I’m hungry,” whatever. And then I can keep double clicking on those: “I want to finish the post because I don’t think this crux has been spelled out very well yet” and I can keep going and going until at some point the answer is like “I don’t know, because it’s intrinsically beautiful?” and that’s around when I call the goal/preference “terminal.” Which is similar in structure to a story I imagine evolution might tell if it “asked itself” why some particular gene developed.
Perhaps “terminal” is the wrong word for this, but having a handle for these high-level, upstream nodes in my motivational complex has been helpful. And they do hold a special status, at least for me, because many of the “instrumental” actions (or subgoals) could be switched out while preserving this more nebulous desire to “understand” or “find beauty” or what have you. That feels like an important distinction that I want to keep while also agreeing they aren’t always cleanly demarcated as such. E.g., writing has both instrumental and terminal qualities to me, which can make it a more confusing goal-structure to orient to, but also as you say: more strange and wonderful, too.
Yeah, one possible successor concept to the instrumental/terminal distinction might be something like “does this thing clearly draw its raison d’être from another thing, or is it its own source of raison d’être or some third thing which is like a nebulous, non-explicitized symbiosis”, where the raison d’être is itself something potentially revisable by reflection (or whatever mind-shaping process).
I agree that human values are more accretive like this, but I would also call those genes “terminal” in the same sense that I call some of my own goals “terminal.” E.g., I can usually ask myself why I’m taking a given action and my brain will give a reasonable answer: “because I want to finish this post,” “because I’m hungry,” whatever. And then I can keep double clicking on those: “I want to finish the post because I don’t think this crux has been spelled out very well yet” and I can keep going and going until at some point the answer is like “I don’t know, because it’s intrinsically beautiful?” and that’s around when I call the goal/preference “terminal.” Which is similar in structure to a story I imagine evolution might tell if it “asked itself” why some particular gene developed.
Perhaps “terminal” is the wrong word for this, but having a handle for these high-level, upstream nodes in my motivational complex has been helpful. And they do hold a special status, at least for me, because many of the “instrumental” actions (or subgoals) could be switched out while preserving this more nebulous desire to “understand” or “find beauty” or what have you. That feels like an important distinction that I want to keep while also agreeing they aren’t always cleanly demarcated as such. E.g., writing has both instrumental and terminal qualities to me, which can make it a more confusing goal-structure to orient to, but also as you say: more strange and wonderful, too.
Yeah, one possible successor concept to the instrumental/terminal distinction might be something like “does this thing clearly draw its raison d’être from another thing, or is it its own source of raison d’être or some third thing which is like a nebulous, non-explicitized symbiosis”, where the raison d’être is itself something potentially revisable by reflection (or whatever mind-shaping process).