I don’t think “jhanic meditation” makes sense as a term, unless you’re just using it to describe that Jhourney is doing.
Yes, I think my terminology could have been more precise. This is what I meant by “jhanic meditation”: the state that Jhourney implies is the meditative precursor to jhanas, arising from cultivating ease and joy and getting closer and closer to them (this state for me, felt like a lesser version of other nice things in my life).
I agree with you that the actual jhana states would feel different. I thought I came close to something quite different, described further down in section 2.
I would be interested to know your reasons for not wanting to talk about the jhanas, if you can share!
Hmm, I don’t know about Jhourney’s terminology, but I’ve been meditating according to kind of Theravada Buddhist tradition, and there there’s a term ‘access concentration’, which is meant to be a precursor to jhanas. And I’d say that is vastly different too. Different from mundane good experiences the way drugs are.
I would be interested to know your reasons for not wanting to talk about the jhanas, if you can share!
Just, obviously there’s traditionally 8⁄9 jhanas. And there’s a bunch of things about how jhanas include suppression and/or cessation of hinderances. And I don’t know if I buy it.
I do buy that you meditate you can get into very strange, clear, powerful, blissful states. And that some of those occur more as phase-shifts than as linear culmination of these qualities as you meditate more.
But I don’t think
Its so discrete that you can losslessly create a map with 8 stages (or 1 stage, or 64 stages etc)
I’m not sure its the same from person to person
I don’t think all the traditional accounts of which phenomena accompany or are precursors for what jhanas are true
Yes, I think my terminology could have been more precise. This is what I meant by “jhanic meditation”: the state that Jhourney implies is the meditative precursor to jhanas, arising from cultivating ease and joy and getting closer and closer to them (this state for me, felt like a lesser version of other nice things in my life).
I agree with you that the actual jhana states would feel different. I thought I came close to something quite different, described further down in section 2.
I would be interested to know your reasons for not wanting to talk about the jhanas, if you can share!
Hmm, I don’t know about Jhourney’s terminology, but I’ve been meditating according to kind of Theravada Buddhist tradition, and there there’s a term ‘access concentration’, which is meant to be a precursor to jhanas. And I’d say that is vastly different too. Different from mundane good experiences the way drugs are.
Just, obviously there’s traditionally 8⁄9 jhanas. And there’s a bunch of things about how jhanas include suppression and/or cessation of hinderances. And I don’t know if I buy it.
I do buy that you meditate you can get into very strange, clear, powerful, blissful states. And that some of those occur more as phase-shifts than as linear culmination of these qualities as you meditate more.
But I don’t think
Its so discrete that you can losslessly create a map with 8 stages (or 1 stage, or 64 stages etc)
I’m not sure its the same from person to person
I don’t think all the traditional accounts of which phenomena accompany or are precursors for what jhanas are true