Antifragile meanders too much, and like most books it’s too long. I feel like Antifragile could have been handled really well (95% or more of the value of the book) in maybe 30-40 pages. I’m normally someone who gets impatient with self-indulgent writing but since most publishers demand at least a few hundred pages for a serious ” Idea Book”, I’m not sure how much of this is Taleb’s fault.
This is why I prefer to work in media more suited to concision like blogging and youtube videos rather than full-length books.
I feel like Antifragile could have been handled really well (95% or more of the value of the book) in maybe 30-40 pages.
This. I liked it well enough, but would have preferred it at Kindle Single length. At it felt like the kind of book that was discussed so much that I didn’t get that much more out of actually reading it.
I tend to agree with you both on this point. I haven’t finished the book yet and he’s defined antifragile as something that has a small, defined downside and a large, undefined upside probably six times.
But hey, at least I can provide his definition, so his strategy seems to be working for me as a reader?
I just want to post here to get the people who search and would be mistaken to believe the poster I am replying to.
The technical companion is here:
Taleb has fundamentally succeeded. When people like David Freedman of all people say so, he is correct. Do not trust the people in this thread. I have come to realize that a large portion of the random detractors of Taleb turn out to be complete wannabes and speak in bad faith.
Technical companion is here and here:
Silent Risk , The Technical Incerto: Lectures on Risk and Probability, Vol 1, (freely available 2015),
A Mathematical Formulation of Fragility, The Technical Incerto: Lectures on Risk and Probability, Vol 2, (freely available 2015) , with Raphael Douady .
as a heuristic look at his co-authors. If you need a more substantial reply I can give it to you. I’m sick of inaccuracy regarding this. Gelman who is the main bayesian statistics textbook less wrong advocates likes him so I don’t see what the big deal is. Probably because he doesn’t give a shit about most of LWish values.
Lol. I can tell you don’t know what you’re talking about. Please read the linked textbook and get back to us. Luke respects him, pretty much every one legitimate respects him. Kahneman, Seth Roberts, Andrew Gelman, David Freedman.
Continental Philosopher. He doesn’t fit that role well :-/
:-DD The good schools in Lebanon teach in French and have a chance of turning out typical Francophone intellectuals. Brilliant, awesome, bombastic, impressive, trying really hard to impress, but more meandering around showing off the sparkling wit rather than digging deep at one spot. Taleb has this typical French-like style in his bones and education, and the financial analyst stuff came later in his life. It is possible to glean good ideas from that book, but there are a lot of superficial wit-sparkles to ignore, to be sure.
Kluppelberg talks about his work in her recent book who is also a coauthor of “Modeling Extremal Events”, I have seen Thorpe in a interview say that he was interested in betting on rare events since Taleb talked about it, co-editor of this journal http://www.iospress.nl/journal/risk-and-decision-analysis/
and the “Extreme Risk Initiative” with him & Tapiero is well… his.
He seems to have successfully completed the job and the people who call it annoying are a minority, it’s always some inflammatory side-attack and it gets old. Correctly predicted the crisis and calls out people who are harmful, seems like a great guy to me.
It would be useful to not evaluate a person as one whole person, or not as one whole set of works. Otherwise you are susceptible to halo or horn effects. It is more useful to see multiple different aspects. I can hate Ayn Rand and yet find her solution for the problem of the universals quite respectable. I can say Taleb’s math is excellent, was very predictive and just what the world needs while his way of writing books that attempt to talk about everything superficially not so good and wish he would focus more narrowly on his expertise instead of talking about everything.
Some times I get together with a few buddies from Less Wrong and laugh at all the contrarian-hipsters(you) who instead of posting so much should just study. It’s important for people to be perceived accurately. Eliezer is misunderstood as is Taleb.
Taleb has fundamentally succeeded. When people like David Freedman of all people say so, he is correct. Do not trust the people in this thread
Taleb makes so many hardly-related statements in the book that it is fairly impossible that Friedman checked all of them. Perhaps, the finance / economics aspects. But he wanders all over the map from whether writers-with-sinecures having a barbell-shaped income strategy is a good idea to varying a paleo and vegan diet instead of sticking to one, or the highly suspicious idea that he eats no fruit or veg that has no Greek name because his Mediterrean genes may not be adapted to them: this one made all my bullshit detectors tingle.
But sure, in finance/economics the basic idea looks sound. The problem is, that book is not about that finance/economics idea, it is about everything.
Apparently, the linked writings are about mathemathical finance. This gives plausibility to the basic idea being OK for finance, the issue is largely with the huge number of unrelated topics mentioned in the book.
Plenty of people have checked through his work. I have this argument with people all the time and every one ends up agreeing in the end. That’s the point of a book nobody has any problems with any other author probably because Taleb does not fit the standard personality type of passive nerds and the personality structure they seek to impose on every one else.
His book is well read and has succeeded that is the point of a personal literary work. I’ve seen him say on twitter say he eats to go pizza so your comment regarding that is relatively suspicious in that it seems you are looking for anything negative to say.
Antifragile meanders too much, and like most books it’s too long. I feel like Antifragile could have been handled really well (95% or more of the value of the book) in maybe 30-40 pages. I’m normally someone who gets impatient with self-indulgent writing but since most publishers demand at least a few hundred pages for a serious ” Idea Book”, I’m not sure how much of this is Taleb’s fault.
This is why I prefer to work in media more suited to concision like blogging and youtube videos rather than full-length books.
Also no one has offered to publish me.
This. I liked it well enough, but would have preferred it at Kindle Single length. At it felt like the kind of book that was discussed so much that I didn’t get that much more out of actually reading it.
I tend to agree with you both on this point. I haven’t finished the book yet and he’s defined antifragile as something that has a small, defined downside and a large, undefined upside probably six times.
But hey, at least I can provide his definition, so his strategy seems to be working for me as a reader?
I just want to post here to get the people who search and would be mistaken to believe the poster I am replying to.
The technical companion is here:
Taleb has fundamentally succeeded. When people like David Freedman of all people say so, he is correct. Do not trust the people in this thread. I have come to realize that a large portion of the random detractors of Taleb turn out to be complete wannabes and speak in bad faith.
Technical companion is here and here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIR1o1dnk5ZmRaaGs/view
as a heuristic look at his co-authors. If you need a more substantial reply I can give it to you. I’m sick of inaccuracy regarding this. Gelman who is the main bayesian statistics textbook less wrong advocates likes him so I don’t see what the big deal is. Probably because he doesn’t give a shit about most of LWish values.
That’s a rather remarkable statement.
People are misremembered all across time. Eliezier is misunderstood by many people as is Taleb.
I’m not sure there’s that much to misunderstand in Taleb. He basically had one good insight and has been milking it ever since.
Lol. I can tell you don’t know what you’re talking about. Please read the linked textbook and get back to us. Luke respects him, pretty much every one legitimate respects him. Kahneman, Seth Roberts, Andrew Gelman, David Freedman.
Minds are like parachutes… :-)
I’ve read Taleb. As I’ve said he had one insight and then decided to become a Continental Philosopher. He doesn’t fit that role well :-/
:-DD The good schools in Lebanon teach in French and have a chance of turning out typical Francophone intellectuals. Brilliant, awesome, bombastic, impressive, trying really hard to impress, but more meandering around showing off the sparkling wit rather than digging deep at one spot. Taleb has this typical French-like style in his bones and education, and the financial analyst stuff came later in his life. It is possible to glean good ideas from that book, but there are a lot of superficial wit-sparkles to ignore, to be sure.
This post was so pretentious, I love the foolish signaling.
Citations listed here: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=64BtMdsAAAAJ&hl=en
4586 for Black Swan
875 for Fooled by Randomness
355 for Dynamic Hedging
read the rest
Kluppelberg talks about his work in her recent book who is also a coauthor of “Modeling Extremal Events”, I have seen Thorpe in a interview say that he was interested in betting on rare events since Taleb talked about it, co-editor of this journal http://www.iospress.nl/journal/risk-and-decision-analysis/ and the “Extreme Risk Initiative” with him & Tapiero is well… his.
Just scroll through his CV if anything.
Good ideas and annoying style are orthogonal issues, these are arguments to the first, not the other. The both can be seen side by side: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2012/12/05/nassim-taleb-is-annoying-but-antifragile-is-still-worth-reading/
He seems to have successfully completed the job and the people who call it annoying are a minority, it’s always some inflammatory side-attack and it gets old. Correctly predicted the crisis and calls out people who are harmful, seems like a great guy to me.
It would be useful to not evaluate a person as one whole person, or not as one whole set of works. Otherwise you are susceptible to halo or horn effects. It is more useful to see multiple different aspects. I can hate Ayn Rand and yet find her solution for the problem of the universals quite respectable. I can say Taleb’s math is excellent, was very predictive and just what the world needs while his way of writing books that attempt to talk about everything superficially not so good and wish he would focus more narrowly on his expertise instead of talking about everything.
You’re pushing it -_- give me a break.
OK
That post should be sufficient to demonstrate you don’t know what you’re saying to any third party.
You’re not saying anything except ad hominem and your mind seems to be nailed shut, so there doesn’t seem to be much point in continuing...
It must be so humiliating to be fake. Read Silent Risk or the Vol 2
random paper:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.7647v1.pdf
Some times I get together with a few buddies from Less Wrong and laugh at all the contrarian-hipsters(you) who instead of posting so much should just study. It’s important for people to be perceived accurately. Eliezer is misunderstood as is Taleb.
Taleb makes so many hardly-related statements in the book that it is fairly impossible that Friedman checked all of them. Perhaps, the finance / economics aspects. But he wanders all over the map from whether writers-with-sinecures having a barbell-shaped income strategy is a good idea to varying a paleo and vegan diet instead of sticking to one, or the highly suspicious idea that he eats no fruit or veg that has no Greek name because his Mediterrean genes may not be adapted to them: this one made all my bullshit detectors tingle.
But sure, in finance/economics the basic idea looks sound. The problem is, that book is not about that finance/economics idea, it is about everything.
Apparently, the linked writings are about mathemathical finance. This gives plausibility to the basic idea being OK for finance, the issue is largely with the huge number of unrelated topics mentioned in the book.
Plenty of people have checked through his work. I have this argument with people all the time and every one ends up agreeing in the end. That’s the point of a book nobody has any problems with any other author probably because Taleb does not fit the standard personality type of passive nerds and the personality structure they seek to impose on every one else.
His book is well read and has succeeded that is the point of a personal literary work. I’ve seen him say on twitter say he eats to go pizza so your comment regarding that is relatively suspicious in that it seems you are looking for anything negative to say.