People in Milgram experiment didn’t say they would torture people.
Knoth and TheOtherDave answered a different question. The data I defied is the truth of the first-person statement “I imagined myself torturing a person for N dollars, and according to my self-simulation, I would do it”.
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Are you conceding that people do in fact torture one another, but denying that pedanterrific is one of those people? If not, I completely fail to understand you. If so, on what basis?
People in Milgram experiment didn’t say they would torture people.
Agreed. They did, however, choose to inflict pain, in many cases intolerable pain, on other people. That seems sufficient grounds for me to conclude that they chose to torture people.
Oh, right. Yeah, oughtn’t have implied otherwise. ”… that some people do in fact torture one another, and therefore some people are willing to torture one another, but denying that pendanterrific...” is closer to what I actually wanted to mean.
Could you explain one possible way someone could be mistaken about “I imagined myself torturing a person for N dollars, and according to my self-simulation, I would do it”?
Your original statement was much weaker, just “I’d torture… for a billion”. I thought you were mistaken because you didn’t actually imagine it. I clarified this later in the conversation.
Milgram experiment?
I’d say Khoth is obviously correct here.
People in Milgram experiment didn’t say they would torture people.
Knoth and TheOtherDave answered a different question. The data I defied is the truth of the first-person statement “I imagined myself torturing a person for N dollars, and according to my self-simulation, I would do it”.
??? Are you conceding that people do in fact torture one another, but denying that pedanterrific is one of those people?
If not, I completely fail to understand you.
If so, on what basis?
Agreed. They did, however, choose to inflict pain, in many cases intolerable pain, on other people.
That seems sufficient grounds for me to conclude that they chose to torture people.
Apparently irrational belief about people on LW.
(Just in case there’s any confusion: I have never tortured anyone, and don’t plan to.)
Oh, right. Yeah, oughtn’t have implied otherwise.
”… that some people do in fact torture one another, and therefore some people are willing to torture one another, but denying that pendanterrific...” is closer to what I actually wanted to mean.
Oh, okay. As a suggestion for the future: when you mean “I think you’re lying”, don’t say “I defy the data”. They don’t mean the same thing.
I didn’t think you were lying, I thought you were mistaken.
Could you explain one possible way someone could be mistaken about “I imagined myself torturing a person for N dollars, and according to my self-simulation, I would do it”?
Your original statement was much weaker, just “I’d torture… for a billion”. I thought you were mistaken because you didn’t actually imagine it. I clarified this later in the conversation.
Okay then.