Are structure, seriousness, watertightness and such are trumped by fun and clarity? Is it safe to run with this? This could save a lot of work.
I DUNT KNOW LETS TRY
It’s not necessarily that a highly upvoted post is deemed better on average, each individual still only casts one vote. The trichotomy of “downvote / no vote / upvote” doesn’t provide nuanced feedback, and while you’d think it all equals out with a large number of votes, that’s not so because of a) modifying visibility by means secondary to the content of the post, b) capturing readers’ interest early to get them to vote in the first place and c) various distributions of opinions about your post all projecting onto potentially the same voting score (e.g. strong likes + strong dislikes equalling the score of general indifference), all three of which can occur independently of the post’s real content.
The visibility was increased with the promotion of your post. While you did need initial upvotes to support that promotion, once achieved there’s no stopping the chain reaction: People want to check out that highly rated top post, they expect to see good content and often automatically steelman / gloss over your weaker points. Then there’s a kind of implied peer pressure similar to Ash’s conformity experiments; you see a highly upvoted post, then monkey see monkey do kicks in, at least skewing your heuristics.
Lastly people you keep invested until the end of your post are more likely to upvote than downvote, and your pixel art does a good job of capturing attention, the opening scene of a movie is crucial. The lower the entry barrier into a post, the more people will tag along. A lesson well internalized by television. Compare the vote counts of some AIXI related posts and yours.
You are also called nyan_sandwich, have a good reputation on this site (AFAICT), yet provide us with some guilty pleasures (of an easy-to-parse comfort-food-for-thought post, talk about nomen est omen, nom nom). In short, you covered all your populist bases. They are all belong to you.
The visibility was increased with the promotion of your post.
I don’t think it was promoted until it had >30, so maybe that helped a bit, but I have another visibility explanation:
I tend to stick around in my posts and obsessively reply to every comment and cherish every upvote, which means it gets a lot of visibility in the “recent comments” section. My posts tend to have lots of comments, and I think it’s largely me trying to get the last word on everything. (until I get swamped and give up)
It is kind of odd that unpromoted posts in main have strictly less visibility than posts in discussion...
each individual still only casts one vote. In short, you covered all your populist bases.
This is a good explanation. I get it now I think. Now the question is if we should be doing more of that?
Basically, name causes behavior, as far as I can tell. Your nickname is indeed very aptronymical (?) to providing a quick and easy lunch for the hungry mind in a humorous or good-feeling manner.
I thought the question was “Does this post have value?” or “Can you quantify the extent to which these here upvotes correlate with value?” and not “How did I get upvotes?”
Why is this so heavily upvoted? Does that indicate actual value to LW, or just a majority of lurking septemberites captivated by cute pixel art?
Pointing out how the genesis of the upvotes is based on mechanisms only weakly related to the content value seems pertinent to answering the two questions in the quote.
It’s definitely pertinent, but it seems a bit one-sided? As an upvoter, I was trying really hard confess my love for whale and quantify it alongside my appreciation for fun and clarity. So I’m concerned that the above reads more like “it was probably all nyans and noms” as opposed to “nyans and noms were a factor.”
The whale, the fun and the clarity (and the wardrobe, too) all belong on the same side of “structure, seriousness, watertightness” versus “fun and clarity” as per the dichotomy in my initial comment’s quote. It would be weird if content hadn’t been a factor, albeit one that’s been swallowed whole by a vile white whale.
I must confess I don’t understand half of what you guys are referring to.
You’re not missing much, it’s just some throwaway references that aren’t central to the point.
“The whale, the fun and the clarity” has the same structure as the movie “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe” and also starts with an animal.
swallowed whole by a vile white whale
Swallowed whole by the whale was supposed to say that the content factor was secondary to the “whale factor”. The “swallowed” also allures to the whole Jonah story (who lived in a whale’s stomach), the whole / [wh]ile / whale was just infantile switching out of vowels, since interestingly all have a Hamming distance of just 1 (you only need to swap one letter).
talk about nomen est omen, nom nom
Your name contains a food item, and you provide guilty comfort food for thought with your post, so “nomen est omen” applies, i.e. your name is a sign of your purpose. The “nom nom” I just appended because it keeps with the food theme, and also because interestingly the “nom nom” is a partial anagram of “nomen est omen”.
Yea … not exactly essential to my arguments. Which in a way does support my points! :)
I DUNT KNOW LETS TRY
It’s not necessarily that a highly upvoted post is deemed better on average, each individual still only casts one vote. The trichotomy of “downvote / no vote / upvote” doesn’t provide nuanced feedback, and while you’d think it all equals out with a large number of votes, that’s not so because of a) modifying visibility by means secondary to the content of the post, b) capturing readers’ interest early to get them to vote in the first place and c) various distributions of opinions about your post all projecting onto potentially the same voting score (e.g. strong likes + strong dislikes equalling the score of general indifference), all three of which can occur independently of the post’s real content.
The visibility was increased with the promotion of your post. While you did need initial upvotes to support that promotion, once achieved there’s no stopping the chain reaction: People want to check out that highly rated top post, they expect to see good content and often automatically steelman / gloss over your weaker points. Then there’s a kind of implied peer pressure similar to Ash’s conformity experiments; you see a highly upvoted post, then monkey see monkey do kicks in, at least skewing your heuristics.
Lastly people you keep invested until the end of your post are more likely to upvote than downvote, and your pixel art does a good job of capturing attention, the opening scene of a movie is crucial. The lower the entry barrier into a post, the more people will tag along. A lesson well internalized by television. Compare the vote counts of some AIXI related posts and yours.
You are also called nyan_sandwich, have a good reputation on this site (AFAICT), yet provide us with some guilty pleasures (of an easy-to-parse comfort-food-for-thought post, talk about nomen est omen, nom nom). In short, you covered all your populist bases. They are all belong to you.
I don’t think it was promoted until it had >30, so maybe that helped a bit, but I have another visibility explanation:
I tend to stick around in my posts and obsessively reply to every comment and cherish every upvote, which means it gets a lot of visibility in the “recent comments” section. My posts tend to have lots of comments, and I think it’s largely me trying to get the last word on everything. (until I get swamped and give up)
It is kind of odd that unpromoted posts in main have strictly less visibility than posts in discussion...
This is a good explanation. I get it now I think. Now the question is if we should be doing more of that?
EDIT: also, what does this mean:
Basically, name causes behavior, as far as I can tell. Your nickname is indeed very aptronymical (?) to providing a quick and easy lunch for the hungry mind in a humorous or good-feeling manner.
I thought the question was “Does this post have value?” or “Can you quantify the extent to which these here upvotes correlate with value?” and not “How did I get upvotes?”
Pointing out how the genesis of the upvotes is based on mechanisms only weakly related to the content value seems pertinent to answering the two questions in the quote.
It’s definitely pertinent, but it seems a bit one-sided? As an upvoter, I was trying really hard confess my love for whale and quantify it alongside my appreciation for fun and clarity. So I’m concerned that the above reads more like “it was probably all nyans and noms” as opposed to “nyans and noms were a factor.”
The whale, the fun and the clarity (and the wardrobe, too) all belong on the same side of “structure, seriousness, watertightness” versus “fun and clarity” as per the dichotomy in my initial comment’s quote. It would be weird if content hadn’t been a factor, albeit one that’s been swallowed whole by a vile white whale.
I must confess I don’t understand half of what you guys are referring to.
You’re not missing much, it’s just some throwaway references that aren’t central to the point.
“The whale, the fun and the clarity” has the same structure as the movie “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe” and also starts with an animal.
Swallowed whole by the whale was supposed to say that the content factor was secondary to the “whale factor”. The “swallowed” also allures to the whole Jonah story (who lived in a whale’s stomach), the whole / [wh]ile / whale was just infantile switching out of vowels, since interestingly all have a Hamming distance of just 1 (you only need to swap one letter).
Your name contains a food item, and you provide guilty comfort food for thought with your post, so “nomen est omen” applies, i.e. your name is a sign of your purpose. The “nom nom” I just appended because it keeps with the food theme, and also because interestingly the “nom nom” is a partial anagram of “nomen est omen”.
Yea … not exactly essential to my arguments. Which in a way does support my points! :)
So it had nothing to do with Moby Dick?
No, of course not!