I am calling for a ban. In fact I call for a ban on anyone likely to be Nier—though it seems premature to include any other accounts I know of—because that is how you defect against someone who has openly defected on behalf of an ideology. I don’t care if he tries to “step back and reconsider”, that would not deter a hypothetical VNM-rational ideologue or an ideology-maximizer.
Anything I post which touches on being anti-religion gets a −1. Considering that I was the person harassed by Nier before, and that the number of −1s is all out of proportion to the number of −2s (implying a single person doing the downvoting), this is obviously Nier, downvoting just few enough posts of mine that it is less than the threshhold that moderators are willing to look at.
But since it is less than the threshhold that moderators are willing to look at, there is nothing I can do about it other than sit and watch my reputation get destroyed. (People who see a post with a negative mod are not likely to take it as as credible as if it didn’t have one.)
It is not always him. I have downvoted many of your anti-religious comments, including some which were at 0 at least at the time I downvoted them. I do not have a general policy of downvoting anti-religious comments. There is nothing wrong with pointing out falsehoods in religion. But I am against ignorant and bigoted comments and many of yours have been exactly that.
I presume you are referring to the parent comment, which is yours, talking about the prohibition of alcohol on Good Friday. I did not downvote that comment, and upvoted it just now. You may be right that that was VoiceOfRa downvoting.
Also, I agree that he tends to downvote everything he disagrees with, even when that disagreement is about motivation rather than about the truth of the comment. And I agree that that is a very bad practice and may even justify banning.
I think you’re confusing your reputation with Internet Points.
I, for one, have no idea what your karma score is and couldn’t care less. More Internet Points won’t give you respect and less won’t get you thrown out of this genteel establishment.
I think Jiro is concerned not with total karma but with some combination of (1) the effect on individual comments’ reception of their having a negative score and (2) the effect on his reputation of lots of his comments being negatively rated. Of course the latter is going to correlate with total karma but it’s more like total recent karma, and it seems like the short of thing readers could be affected by without explicitly noticing.
As to whether it’s Nier/Azathoth/Ra again: I wouldn’t be surprised, but I’m not sure “way more −1 than −2” is very strong evidence that one person is responsible for all the downvotes. It could equally be a few people who all dislike that sort of comment but don’t think it’s bad enough to bother downvoting them when they’re already negative.
I’m not referring to an overall karma score, but to each individual post. Posts at −1 are much less credible to readers than posts which aren’t at negative values. And unlike one’s overall karma score, the −1 is right there where everyone can easily see it and react.
So it’s not your reputation that gets destroyed but the credibility of your posts? I still don’t see it. Maybe I’m a unique snowflake, but I treat comment karma as the attitude of the hivemind with a lot of noise added, so a comment at −1 means to me that 1 (one, single, solo) person disliked it. So what? A comment universally liked is probably too bland and restates the obvious, anyway.
I am calling for a ban. In fact I call for a ban on anyone likely to be Nier—though it seems premature to include any other accounts I know of—because that is how you defect against someone who has openly defected on behalf of an ideology. I don’t care if he tries to “step back and reconsider”, that would not deter a hypothetical VNM-rational ideologue or an ideology-maximizer.
This always ends well.
Anything I post which touches on being anti-religion gets a −1. Considering that I was the person harassed by Nier before, and that the number of −1s is all out of proportion to the number of −2s (implying a single person doing the downvoting), this is obviously Nier, downvoting just few enough posts of mine that it is less than the threshhold that moderators are willing to look at.
But since it is less than the threshhold that moderators are willing to look at, there is nothing I can do about it other than sit and watch my reputation get destroyed. (People who see a post with a negative mod are not likely to take it as as credible as if it didn’t have one.)
It is not always him. I have downvoted many of your anti-religious comments, including some which were at 0 at least at the time I downvoted them. I do not have a general policy of downvoting anti-religious comments. There is nothing wrong with pointing out falsehoods in religion. But I am against ignorant and bigoted comments and many of yours have been exactly that.
Yeah, this comment was really bigoted. And this one.. And this one..
I presume you are referring to the parent comment, which is yours, talking about the prohibition of alcohol on Good Friday. I did not downvote that comment, and upvoted it just now. You may be right that that was VoiceOfRa downvoting.
Why? The comment contains three points. One is completely false, the other two are nit-picky bordering on irrelevant.
Also, I agree that he tends to downvote everything he disagrees with, even when that disagreement is about motivation rather than about the truth of the comment. And I agree that that is a very bad practice and may even justify banning.
Yes, those comments aren’t bigoted, they are, however, incredibly stupid.
Thank you for adding some information.
Superrationality implies a course of action: Stop taking posts and comments with negative scores less seriously.
I think you’re confusing your reputation with Internet Points.
I, for one, have no idea what your karma score is and couldn’t care less. More Internet Points won’t give you respect and less won’t get you thrown out of this genteel establishment.
I think Jiro is concerned not with total karma but with some combination of (1) the effect on individual comments’ reception of their having a negative score and (2) the effect on his reputation of lots of his comments being negatively rated. Of course the latter is going to correlate with total karma but it’s more like total recent karma, and it seems like the short of thing readers could be affected by without explicitly noticing.
As to whether it’s Nier/Azathoth/Ra again: I wouldn’t be surprised, but I’m not sure “way more −1 than −2” is very strong evidence that one person is responsible for all the downvotes. It could equally be a few people who all dislike that sort of comment but don’t think it’s bad enough to bother downvoting them when they’re already negative.
An excellent opportunity for budding rationalists to practice resisting anchoring, I would think X-)
I’m not referring to an overall karma score, but to each individual post. Posts at −1 are much less credible to readers than posts which aren’t at negative values. And unlike one’s overall karma score, the −1 is right there where everyone can easily see it and react.
So it’s not your reputation that gets destroyed but the credibility of your posts? I still don’t see it. Maybe I’m a unique snowflake, but I treat comment karma as the attitude of the hivemind with a lot of noise added, so a comment at −1 means to me that 1 (one, single, solo) person disliked it. So what? A comment universally liked is probably too bland and restates the obvious, anyway.