If the same article would be written by someone else, I would recommend them to ask the same question in the Open Thread. Should I vote differently just because of the person who wrote it?
I would suggest that instead of downvoting until no one can see the post, you explain to them how to make their post better. I’m not even asking you to upvote, I’m just asking you not to hide important content, or if you do, at least constructively help your ally make better content. Even if LessWrong is aware of 80,000 Hours, the staff at 80,000 Hours might not be super-familiar with LessWrong, and so might accidentally violate certain local norms. Punishing them for this, rather than helpfully correcting them, is what seems counterproductive to me. Once you explain the norms, then you should feel totally free to criticize things that don’t adhere to them.
So now voting about articles is no longer about their quality, but becomes a political question?
Basically everything you do has political repercussions. Insisting otherwise will probably lead to poor results.
The problem is I would rather spend my time discussing posts I like rather than critiquing posts I don’t like. In this case, I saw that someone had already started the meta-discussion, so I downvoted and didn’t pursue the matter further.
I am sorry that this hurts someone else’s agenda. But I don’t want to be a part of that game. And I don’t appreciate efforts to guilt me into taking part.
And I don’t appreciate efforts to guilt me into taking part.
I don’t think he’s trying to guilt you, he’s just offering reasoning and discussion for his own stance. He’s providing more information than a simple down vote, and I think that should be applauded.
I will admit the original post could have probably been written better, but I don’t think we should be discouraging someone from questioning voting—especially when they’re willing to engage in discourse, provide feedback, and suggest alternatives. It’s an essential dialogue to keeping our garden well tended, even if his tone was a bit accusative (“I’m disappointed” instead of “Hey, what’s going on here?”)
I don’t have a problem with people talking about upvotes and downvotes (well, actually, I do have a problem with it in many cases, especially when it’s replacing what could be actual discussion, but that’s not what’s going on here, so it’s beside the point). It’s the argument in this post that bothers me, and that’s what I’m trying to address here.
I would suggest that instead of downvoting until no one can see the post, you explain to them how to make their post better. I’m not even asking you to upvote, I’m just asking you not to hide important content, or if you do, at least constructively help your ally make better content. Even if LessWrong is aware of 80,000 Hours, the staff at 80,000 Hours might not be super-familiar with LessWrong, and so might accidentally violate certain local norms. Punishing them for this, rather than helpfully correcting them, is what seems counterproductive to me. Once you explain the norms, then you should feel totally free to criticize things that don’t adhere to them.
Basically everything you do has political repercussions. Insisting otherwise will probably lead to poor results.
The problem is I would rather spend my time discussing posts I like rather than critiquing posts I don’t like. In this case, I saw that someone had already started the meta-discussion, so I downvoted and didn’t pursue the matter further.
I am sorry that this hurts someone else’s agenda. But I don’t want to be a part of that game. And I don’t appreciate efforts to guilt me into taking part.
I don’t think he’s trying to guilt you, he’s just offering reasoning and discussion for his own stance. He’s providing more information than a simple down vote, and I think that should be applauded.
I will admit the original post could have probably been written better, but I don’t think we should be discouraging someone from questioning voting—especially when they’re willing to engage in discourse, provide feedback, and suggest alternatives. It’s an essential dialogue to keeping our garden well tended, even if his tone was a bit accusative (“I’m disappointed” instead of “Hey, what’s going on here?”)
I don’t have a problem with people talking about upvotes and downvotes (well, actually, I do have a problem with it in many cases, especially when it’s replacing what could be actual discussion, but that’s not what’s going on here, so it’s beside the point). It’s the argument in this post that bothers me, and that’s what I’m trying to address here.
that sounds about right!