And yet here you demand I immediately change my mind in response to reason and evidence.
We are not talking, here, about some subtle point of philosophy, or some complicated position on the facts of some difficult and specialized subject. You made a claim about my views. I disclaimed it. Either you have some support for your claim, or it is unsubstantiated. It would seem that you have no support for your claim.
When one makes objectionable factual claims about another person, and is unable to substantiate those claims, the correct thing to do is to retract it and apologize. (This does not preclude making the claim again in the future, should it so happen that you acquire previously unavailable support for the claim! But currently, you have nothing—and indeed, less than nothing—namely, a statement from me disclaiming your characterization, and nothing from you to support it.)
If you refuse to do so, the only appropriate conclusion is that you are someone who knowingly lies about other people’s views.
You go on to praise Schopenhauer when he writes about how to have discourse, including (for example) this line:
As a rule, then, every man will insist on maintaining whatever he has said, even though for the moment he may consider it false or doubtful.
Schopenhauer was here describing human behavior, having just two sentences prior (in a section which I bolded for emphasis) characterized said behavior as “the weakness of our intellect and the perversity of our will”. To say of this merely that it is “Schopenhauer when he writes about how to have discourse” is disingenuous.
You guys have got to decide whether the position is laughable or obviously correct!
I am not a “you guys” and I reject the notion that I have to decide anything for anyone else. Zack is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, as I am capable of speaking for myself. If I endorse someone’s point, I’ll say so.
What is “normatively correct” is what I described in the section I quoted in the grandparent. I have been completely clear about this view, never wavering from it in the slightest. The idea that there is some sort of ambiguity or vaccilation here is entirely of your own false invention.
Your characterization of me as “an LLM in whose system prompt it was written that it should not be able to either agree with or understand your point” is obviously insulting and, more importantly, unambiguously and verifiably false.[1], insofar as I have agreed with people often.
you go on to link to yourself repeatedly endorsing not changing your mind in comment sections
This again is an erroneous and deceptive characterization.
The bottom line is that, once again, your claim about my views is demonstrably false, and you have no support for it whatsoever. You should retract it and apologize to me.
We are not talking, here, about some subtle point of philosophy, or some complicated position on the facts of some difficult and specialized subject. You made a claim about my views. I disclaimed it. Either you have some support for your claim, or it is unsubstantiated. It would seem that you have no support for your claim.
When one makes objectionable factual claims about another person, and is unable to substantiate those claims, the correct thing to do is to retract it and apologize. (This does not preclude making the claim again in the future, should it so happen that you acquire previously unavailable support for the claim! But currently, you have nothing—and indeed, less than nothing—namely, a statement from me disclaiming your characterization, and nothing from you to support it.)
If you refuse to do so, the only appropriate conclusion is that you are someone who knowingly lies about other people’s views.
Schopenhauer was here describing human behavior, having just two sentences prior (in a section which I bolded for emphasis) characterized said behavior as “the weakness of our intellect and the perversity of our will”. To say of this merely that it is “Schopenhauer when he writes about how to have discourse” is disingenuous.
I am not a “you guys” and I reject the notion that I have to decide anything for anyone else. Zack is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, as I am capable of speaking for myself. If I endorse someone’s point, I’ll say so.
What is “normatively correct” is what I described in the section I quoted in the grandparent. I have been completely clear about this view, never wavering from it in the slightest. The idea that there is some sort of ambiguity or vaccilation here is entirely of your own false invention.
Your characterization of me as “an LLM in whose system prompt it was written that it should not be able to either agree with or understand your point” is obviously insulting and, more importantly, unambiguously and verifiably false.[1], insofar as I have agreed with people often.
This again is an erroneous and deceptive characterization.
The bottom line is that, once again, your claim about my views is demonstrably false, and you have no support for it whatsoever. You should retract it and apologize to me.
And not just in the trivial “actually I am a biological human and not a large language model” sense.
I mean, I disagree, but doesn’t seem like further conversation will be productive.