I still don’t think that we could call it a tantrum of Eliezer’s.
Whatever you choose to call it the act of shouting at people and calling them names is the kind of thing that looks bad to me. I think Eliezer would look better if he didn’t shout or call people names.
but he probably at least thought that the Roko guy was being stupid.
Of course he did. Lack of sincerity is not the problem here. The belief that the other person is stupid and, more importantly, the belief that if he thinks other people are being stupid it is right and appropriate for him to launch into an abusive hysterical tirade is the arrogance problem in this case.
I think Eliezer would look better if he didn’t shout or call people names.
I agree. Eliezer is occasionally a jerk, and it looks like this was one of those times. Also, I have no idea what went on and you do, so any disagreement from me is pretty dubious.
Nitpicking: I don’t think that’s how we should use the work tantrum. Tantrum makes it sound like someone criticized Eliezer and he got mad at them. (I suppose that might have happened, though...) I dunno. I just dislike your choice of words. I would have phrased it as “Eliezer should put more effort into not occasionally being an arrogant dick.”
The word ‘Tantrum’ invokes in my mind a picture of either a child or someone with an overwhelmingly high perception of their status responding to things not going their way by acting out emotionally in violation of usual norms of behavior that apply to everyone else.
I would have phrased it as “Eliezer should put more effort into not occasionally being an arrogant dick.”
I did not want to make that point. Acting out when things don’t go his way is a distinctly different behavior pattern with different connotations with respect to arrogance. I’m going to stick with tantrum because it just seems to be exactly what I’m trying to convey.
I think he did the right thing there. He did it badly and clumsily, but had I been in his place I’d have had a hard time getting a grip on my emotions, and we know how sensitive and emotional he is.
Rational Wiki are great guys. We try to watch our own step, but it’s nice to have someone else watching us too, who can understand and sympathize with what we do.
Whatever you choose to call it the act of shouting at people and calling them names is the kind of thing that looks bad to me. I think Eliezer would look better if he didn’t shout or call people names.
Of course he did. Lack of sincerity is not the problem here. The belief that the other person is stupid and, more importantly, the belief that if he thinks other people are being stupid it is right and appropriate for him to launch into an abusive hysterical tirade is the arrogance problem in this case.
I agree. Eliezer is occasionally a jerk, and it looks like this was one of those times. Also, I have no idea what went on and you do, so any disagreement from me is pretty dubious.
Nitpicking: I don’t think that’s how we should use the work tantrum. Tantrum makes it sound like someone criticized Eliezer and he got mad at them. (I suppose that might have happened, though...) I dunno. I just dislike your choice of words. I would have phrased it as “Eliezer should put more effort into not occasionally being an arrogant dick.”
The word ‘Tantrum’ invokes in my mind a picture of either a child or someone with an overwhelmingly high perception of their status responding to things not going their way by acting out emotionally in violation of usual norms of behavior that apply to everyone else.
I did not want to make that point. Acting out when things don’t go his way is a distinctly different behavior pattern with different connotations with respect to arrogance. I’m going to stick with tantrum because it just seems to be exactly what I’m trying to convey.
I think he did the right thing there. He did it badly and clumsily, but had I been in his place I’d have had a hard time getting a grip on my emotions, and we know how sensitive and emotional he is.
Rational Wiki are great guys. We try to watch our own step, but it’s nice to have someone else watching us too, who can understand and sympathize with what we do.