The point of that was that dissolving free will is an exercise (a rather easy one once you know what you’re doing), and it probably shouldn’t be short-circuited.
My point was that I didn’t approve of making that point in that manner in that place.
I refrained from nuking the page myself but I don’t have to like it. I support Brilee’s observation that going around and doing that sort of thing is bad PR for Eliezer Yudkowsky, which has non-trivial relevance to SingInst’s arrogance problem.
One issue is that the same writing sends different signals to different people. I remember thinking about free will early in life (my parents thought they’d tease me with the age-old philosophical question) and, a little later in life, thinking that I had basically solved it—that people were simply thinking about it the wrong way. People around me often didn’t accept my solution, but I was never convinced that they even understood it (not due to stupidity, but failure to adjust their perspective in the right way), so my confidence remained high.
Later I noticed that my solution is a standard kind of “compatibilist” position, which is given equal attention by philosophers as many other positions and sub-positions, fiercely yet politely discussed without the slightest suggestion that it is a solution, or even more valid than other positions except as the one a particular author happens to prefer.
Later I noticed that my solution was also independently reached and exposited by Eliezer Yudkowsky (on Overcoming Bias before LW was created, if I remember correctly). The solution was clearly presented as such—a solution—and one which is easy to find with the right shift in perspective—that is, an answer to a wrong question. I immediately significantly updated the likelihood of the same author having further useful intellectual contributions, to my taste at least, and found the honesty thoroughly refreshing.
My point was that I didn’t approve of making that point in that manner in that place.
I refrained from nuking the page myself but I don’t have to like it. I support Brilee’s observation that going around and doing that sort of thing is bad PR for Eliezer Yudkowsky, which has non-trivial relevance to SingInst’s arrogance problem.
One issue is that the same writing sends different signals to different people. I remember thinking about free will early in life (my parents thought they’d tease me with the age-old philosophical question) and, a little later in life, thinking that I had basically solved it—that people were simply thinking about it the wrong way. People around me often didn’t accept my solution, but I was never convinced that they even understood it (not due to stupidity, but failure to adjust their perspective in the right way), so my confidence remained high.
Later I noticed that my solution is a standard kind of “compatibilist” position, which is given equal attention by philosophers as many other positions and sub-positions, fiercely yet politely discussed without the slightest suggestion that it is a solution, or even more valid than other positions except as the one a particular author happens to prefer.
Later I noticed that my solution was also independently reached and exposited by Eliezer Yudkowsky (on Overcoming Bias before LW was created, if I remember correctly). The solution was clearly presented as such—a solution—and one which is easy to find with the right shift in perspective—that is, an answer to a wrong question. I immediately significantly updated the likelihood of the same author having further useful intellectual contributions, to my taste at least, and found the honesty thoroughly refreshing.