Robin Hanson has been listed as the other major “intelligent/competent” critic of SIAI. That he criticises what seems to be the keystone of Holden’s argument should be cause for concern for Holden.
So, I stipulate that Robin, whom Eliezer considers the only other major “intelligent/competent” critic of SI, disagrees with this aspect of Holden’s position. I also stipulate that this aspect is the keystone of Holden’s argument, and without it all the rest of it is irrelevant. (I’m not sure either of those statements is actually true, but they’re beside my point here.)
I do not understand why these stipulated facts should be a significant cause for concern for Holden, who may not consider Eliezer’s endorsement of what is and isn’t legitimate criticism of SI particularly significant evidence of anything important.
It’s not. Apparently I somehow replied to the wrong post… It’s actually aimed at sufferer’s comment you were replying to.
I don’t suppose there’s a convenient way to move it? I don’t think retracting and re-posting would clean it up sufficiently, in fact that seems messier.
I suspect that Holden would also consider Robin Hanson a competent critic. This is because Robin is smart, knowledgeable and prestigiously accredited.
But your comment has alerted me to the fact that even if Hanson comes out as a flat-earther tomorrow the supporting posts are still weak.
The issue of the two most credible critics of SIAI disagreeing with each other is logically independent of the issue of Holden’s wobbly argument against the utilitarian argument for SIAI. Many thanks.
So, I stipulate that Robin, whom Eliezer considers the only other major “intelligent/competent” critic of SI, disagrees with this aspect of Holden’s position. I also stipulate that this aspect is the keystone of Holden’s argument, and without it all the rest of it is irrelevant. (I’m not sure either of those statements is actually true, but they’re beside my point here.)
I do not understand why these stipulated facts should be a significant cause for concern for Holden, who may not consider Eliezer’s endorsement of what is and isn’t legitimate criticism of SI particularly significant evidence of anything important.
Can you expand on your reasoning here?
Not to the degree that SI could be increasing the existential risk, a point Holden also makes. “Even a chance” swings both ways.
I am completely lost by how this is a response to anything I said.
It’s not. Apparently I somehow replied to the wrong post… It’s actually aimed at sufferer’s comment you were replying to.
I don’t suppose there’s a convenient way to move it? I don’t think retracting and re-posting would clean it up sufficiently, in fact that seems messier.
Ah! That makes sense. I know of no way to move it… sorry.
I suspect that Holden would also consider Robin Hanson a competent critic. This is because Robin is smart, knowledgeable and prestigiously accredited.
But your comment has alerted me to the fact that even if Hanson comes out as a flat-earther tomorrow the supporting posts are still weak.
The issue of the two most credible critics of SIAI disagreeing with each other is logically independent of the issue of Holden’s wobbly argument against the utilitarian argument for SIAI. Many thanks.