The most salient example to me is when I responded to a complaint that PUA ideology treats women like they are silly with the response that”
LW treats people like they are silly, none of their core values are beyond question, their imagined reasons are confabulations, and their real reasons reek of bias, irrationality, and anti-epistemology.
It doesn’t seem at all correct to say “average men treat women like they’re silly, but rationalists don’t do that!”
among other things I said here. I certainly felt compelled to add the disclaimer “Sure, rationalists treat men as silly too.”
The remarkable part is that I got both up votes and down votes.
It’s considered true or at least acceptable on lesswrong to say “All members of the human race are often irrational.” It logically follows that “All poor people are often irrational.” Nonetheless, this true statement alone is liable to be unpopular without explanation. This is because by not talking about non-poor people I imply I think something different regarding them. This is somewhat justified, for the same reason that wiggin is a lie.
Nonetheless, I feel the rational climate is unhealthy enough that I don’t think one can simply reply to “PUAs think women are irrational” with “so do LWers”, where one should be able to. I should be able to respond to “A racist said wiggins are irrational” with “they are”, and to “some Wiggins are criminals and like ketchup” with “true”.
Someone starting a topic with “some wiggins are criminals” has given good reason to suspect he is racist, someone saying “racists falsely believe some wiggins are criminals” has given good reason to suspect he is a PC fool, and someone pointing out the second truth, in this day and age and at this place of all places, has not created probable cause that he is a racist.
The most salient example to me is when I responded to a complaint that PUA ideology treats women like they are silly with the response that”
It doesn’t seem at all correct to say “average men treat women like they’re silly, but rationalists don’t do that!”
among other things I said here. I certainly felt compelled to add the disclaimer “Sure, rationalists treat men as silly too.”
The remarkable part is that I got both up votes and down votes.
It’s considered true or at least acceptable on lesswrong to say “All members of the human race are often irrational.” It logically follows that “All poor people are often irrational.” Nonetheless, this true statement alone is liable to be unpopular without explanation. This is because by not talking about non-poor people I imply I think something different regarding them. This is somewhat justified, for the same reason that wiggin is a lie.
Nonetheless, I feel the rational climate is unhealthy enough that I don’t think one can simply reply to “PUAs think women are irrational” with “so do LWers”, where one should be able to. I should be able to respond to “A racist said wiggins are irrational” with “they are”, and to “some Wiggins are criminals and like ketchup” with “true”.
Someone starting a topic with “some wiggins are criminals” has given good reason to suspect he is racist, someone saying “racists falsely believe some wiggins are criminals” has given good reason to suspect he is a PC fool, and someone pointing out the second truth, in this day and age and at this place of all places, has not created probable cause that he is a racist.