I’m confused what you’re saying, and curious. I would predict that this attitude toward suicide would indeed correlate with being open to discussing S-risks. Are you saying you have counter-data, or are you saying you don’t have samples that would provide data either way?
I was just agreeing. :-3 In mainstream ML circles there is probably a taboo around talking about AI maybe doing harm or AI maybe ending up uncontrollable etc. Breaking that taboo was, imo, a good thing because it allowed us to become aware of the dangers AI could pose. Similarly, breaking a taboo around talking about things worse than death can be helpful to become aware of ways in which we may be steering toward s-risks.
It’s basically like this
I see! I have a bunch of friends who would probably consider their lives not worth living. They often express the wish to not have been born or at least consider their current well-being level to be negative. But I think only one of them might be in such a negative feedback loop, and I’m probably misdiagnosing her here. Two of them are bedridden due to Long Covid and despite their condition have amassed a wealth of knowledge on virus-related medicine, probably by googling things on their phones while lying down for ten minutes at a time. Others have tried every depression drug under the sun. Other have multiple therapists. They are much more held back by access and ability than by motivation, even though motivation is probably also hard to come by in that state.
Surely you can see that this isn’t common, and the normal response is to just be broken until you die.
Idk, Harold and Maude is sort of like that. I’ve actually done a back-of-the-envelope calculation, which is perhaps uncommon, but the general spirit of the idea seems normal enough to me? Then again I could easily be typical-minding.
They are much more held back by access and ability than by motivation, even though motivation is probably also hard to come by in that state.
Sounds likely enough from your description. Most things are mostly not about self-fulfilling prophecies, life can just be sad / hard :(
I think that the feedback loop thing is a thing that happens; usually in a weakish form. I mean, I think it’s the cause of part of some depressions. Separately, even if it doesn’t happen much or very strongly, it could also be a thing that people are afraid of in themselves and in others, continuously with things like “trying to cheer someone up”.
Then again I could easily be typical-minding.
That’s my guess, to some extent, but IDK. I think we’d live in different, more hopeful world if you’re not (incorrectly) typical-minding here.
I was just agreeing. :-3 In mainstream ML circles there is probably a taboo around talking about AI maybe doing harm or AI maybe ending up uncontrollable etc. Breaking that taboo was, imo, a good thing because it allowed us to become aware of the dangers AI could pose. Similarly, breaking a taboo around talking about things worse than death can be helpful to become aware of ways in which we may be steering toward s-risks.
I see! I have a bunch of friends who would probably consider their lives not worth living. They often express the wish to not have been born or at least consider their current well-being level to be negative. But I think only one of them might be in such a negative feedback loop, and I’m probably misdiagnosing her here. Two of them are bedridden due to Long Covid and despite their condition have amassed a wealth of knowledge on virus-related medicine, probably by googling things on their phones while lying down for ten minutes at a time. Others have tried every depression drug under the sun. Other have multiple therapists. They are much more held back by access and ability than by motivation, even though motivation is probably also hard to come by in that state.
Idk, Harold and Maude is sort of like that. I’ve actually done a back-of-the-envelope calculation, which is perhaps uncommon, but the general spirit of the idea seems normal enough to me? Then again I could easily be typical-minding.
Sounds likely enough from your description. Most things are mostly not about self-fulfilling prophecies, life can just be sad / hard :(
I think that the feedback loop thing is a thing that happens; usually in a weakish form. I mean, I think it’s the cause of part of some depressions. Separately, even if it doesn’t happen much or very strongly, it could also be a thing that people are afraid of in themselves and in others, continuously with things like “trying to cheer someone up”.
That’s my guess, to some extent, but IDK. I think we’d live in different, more hopeful world if you’re not (incorrectly) typical-minding here.