I said the similarity is in “all pleasure no value”. Pleasure is an evolved signal for value usually, but oftentimes it can be exploited eg. with sweets too fatty foods. So saying there is “value in pleasure” doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Following pleasure signals like the activities you have shown (besides cats) is usually a good idea. Altho sometimes the pleasure can be simply explained as with drugs as some form of exploit of our imperfect brains, in which case there is indeed no value.
I can’t wrap my head around your argument. For example:
Imagine a shop cashier, he came back home after a whole day of dealing with angry customers, unreasonable management, poor working conditions and is just simply miserable with life. So he decides to smoke some weed to relax and to make life seem a little bit less miserable.
Is it worse than other options of pleasure? Sure. Does it have no value? I think he would be much more miserable, and perhaps do something drastic. Does this have no value?
Yes if it’s that or something drastic that would indeed be value. But would you say that smoking weed therefore gives value in general? I wouldn’t. Also oftentimes our brain learns to reach these emotional states because we reinforce it with the follow up reward.
In context of humans it’d probably make sense to define value as improving our inclusive fitness (the evolved utility function). But it could also be many other things, for instance money made in one’s lifetime.
I said the similarity is in “all pleasure no value”. Pleasure is an evolved signal for value usually, but oftentimes it can be exploited eg. with sweets too fatty foods. So saying there is “value in pleasure” doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Following pleasure signals like the activities you have shown (besides cats) is usually a good idea. Altho sometimes the pleasure can be simply explained as with drugs as some form of exploit of our imperfect brains, in which case there is indeed no value.
Can you clarify what you mean by “value”?
I can’t wrap my head around your argument. For example:
Imagine a shop cashier, he came back home after a whole day of dealing with angry customers, unreasonable management, poor working conditions and is just simply miserable with life. So he decides to smoke some weed to relax and to make life seem a little bit less miserable.
Is it worse than other options of pleasure? Sure. Does it have no value? I think he would be much more miserable, and perhaps do something drastic. Does this have no value?
Yes if it’s that or something drastic that would indeed be value. But would you say that smoking weed therefore gives value in general? I wouldn’t. Also oftentimes our brain learns to reach these emotional states because we reinforce it with the follow up reward.
In context of humans it’d probably make sense to define value as improving our inclusive fitness (the evolved utility function). But it could also be many other things, for instance money made in one’s lifetime.