I don’t think they do have any “special metaphysical status,” and indeed I agree that they are “simple social conventions.” Do I make statements about moral rights and wrongs? Only by reference to a framework that I believe the audience accepts. In LWs case, this seems broadly to be utilitarian or some variant.
That’s precisely my point—morality doesn’t have to have any metaphysical status. Perhaps the problem is simply that we haven’t defined the term well enough. Regardless, I suspect that more than a few LWers are moral skeptics, in that they don’t hold any particular philosophy to be universally, metaphysically right, but they personally value social well-being in some form, and so we can usually assume that helping humanity would be considered positively by a LW audience.
As long as everyone’s “personal values” are roughly compatible with the maintenance of society, then yes, losing the sense of morality that excludes such values may not be a problem. I was simply including the belief that personal values should not produce antisocial utility functions (that is, utility functions that have a positive term for another person’s suffering) as morality.
Do I think that these things are metaphysically supported? No. But do I think that with fewer prosocial utility functions, we would likely see much lower utilities for most people? Yes.
Of course, whether you care about that depends on how much of a utilitarian you are.
I don’t think they do have any “special metaphysical status,” and indeed I agree that they are “simple social conventions.” Do I make statements about moral rights and wrongs? Only by reference to a framework that I believe the audience accepts. In LWs case, this seems broadly to be utilitarian or some variant.
That’s precisely my point—morality doesn’t have to have any metaphysical status. Perhaps the problem is simply that we haven’t defined the term well enough. Regardless, I suspect that more than a few LWers are moral skeptics, in that they don’t hold any particular philosophy to be universally, metaphysically right, but they personally value social well-being in some form, and so we can usually assume that helping humanity would be considered positively by a LW audience.
As long as everyone’s “personal values” are roughly compatible with the maintenance of society, then yes, losing the sense of morality that excludes such values may not be a problem. I was simply including the belief that personal values should not produce antisocial utility functions (that is, utility functions that have a positive term for another person’s suffering) as morality.
Do I think that these things are metaphysically supported? No. But do I think that with fewer prosocial utility functions, we would likely see much lower utilities for most people? Yes.
Of course, whether you care about that depends on how much of a utilitarian you are.