So, why is encouraged, even mandatory, to force an individual who is suffering, who seeks to end their suffering, to continue to live?
Obviously to have time for treatment. Do you assume that there are treatments for suicidal ideation? In some cases suicidal ideation is literally inherently temporary (for example for a case of bipolar depression).
detain them, to forcefully imprison them and drug them until they repeat the correct platitudes and complete the correct actions and convince you, really persuade you, that they think the right way?
Thank you for your comment! Yes, I am aware that there are treatments for suicide ideation, I simply disagree with applying them by force. I am also aware that suicide prevention, involuntary commitment, and treatment for suicide ideation differ from place to place; in that particular section, I was referring to one treatment. I apologize if I appeared to be generalizing.
but do you generalize the idea of never treating people by force?
Is there an exception for psycoisis, halluciations, delutions, paranoia—which are very frequent concounders of suicidal ideation? Do you think, is it fine to treat people “by force” in thid cases?
My apologies if I was unclear; I am opposed to using force on mentally competent individuals. I would not consider those experiencing psychosis, delusions, and other severely impaired perceptions of reality as fully mentally competent. Yes, in these instances it is acceptable to treat others by force.
Personally, I’m conflicted. On one hand I have beeen involuntarily hospitalized (without need), which was bad and traumatic experience. On the other hand, I think there are cases where people would reject treatment (for depression, for example), not knowing what are the options and efficiency, and so hospitalization is be life-saving.
Obviously to have time for treatment. Do you assume that there are treatments for suicidal ideation? In some cases suicidal ideation is literally inherently temporary (for example for a case of bipolar depression).
This is not how treatment for suicidal ideation works. One good account might be: https://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin_nuland_how_electroshock_therapy_changed_me
Thank you for your comment! Yes, I am aware that there are treatments for suicide ideation, I simply disagree with applying them by force. I am also aware that suicide prevention, involuntary commitment, and treatment for suicide ideation differ from place to place; in that particular section, I was referring to one treatment. I apologize if I appeared to be generalizing.
but do you generalize the idea of never treating people by force?
Is there an exception for psycoisis, halluciations, delutions, paranoia—which are very frequent concounders of suicidal ideation?
Do you think, is it fine to treat people “by force” in thid cases?
My apologies if I was unclear; I am opposed to using force on mentally competent individuals. I would not consider those experiencing psychosis, delusions, and other severely impaired perceptions of reality as fully mentally competent. Yes, in these instances it is acceptable to treat others by force.
I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying.
Personally, I’m conflicted. On one hand I have beeen involuntarily hospitalized (without need), which was bad and traumatic experience. On the other hand, I think there are cases where people would reject treatment (for depression, for example), not knowing what are the options and efficiency, and so hospitalization is be life-saving.
We can do better in any case, this is for sure.