I like the idea of tabooing “frame”. Thanks for that.
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First of all, in my life I mostly encounter:
(1) -- “trying to push the lens of seeing everything as coordination problems or whatever”—mostly I’m the person doing it. Eg. one of my preferred lenses right now is “society problems are determined by available level of technology and solved by inventing better technology”. Think Scott’s post https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biology-is-mutable/.
(3) -- “friend who tells you about her frames and who isn’t very good at listening”—this is also me to an extent, I think.
(7) -- “a pervasive standard of XYZ”—I don’t know but.. I guess? Probably?
I don’t have experience with other bits of your list, so I won’t comment on them.
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Secondly, so far I haven’t found “noticing frames” to be particularly useful for myself. I wrote Smuggled frames because at the time I wanted to be writing takes / insight porn / I don’t know how to call it. I don’t claim here that frames are important or unimportant in general; I just haven’t noticed much of an impact on myself or others.
For what it’s worth, I can come up with scenarios where noticing frames might be useful for somebody — but I don’t want to be coming up with imaginary scenarios.
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What I have found useful, on the other hand, is “knowing which frames I like”.
I’ll give two examples:
When I ask my dad a question and he goes in the “national mentality” direction (we Slavic people are XYZ, etc), I just explicitly say “alright, but I’m not interested in this line of thinking though, I’m looking for other possible explanations” and then we don’t end up having an argument. It’s really good for me because I feel like shit after arguments. Previously we would’ve ended up having a long argument and we very often actually did.
When I’m looking for books or posts to read, I ignore ones that use frames that I’m not interested in at the moment. For example, I don’t want to read about contemporary art from the artists’ point of view. I want to read about “contemporary art is an investment vehicle” (see my note on Art Incorporated, which you’ll need to Ctrl+F because I broke it) or maybe lucid reflection about “how it feels to be a contemporary artist”, but none of the weird stuff that I can’t relate to.
It’s like.. you have the topic, you have the frame, and you have the style. Topic: art. Frame: incentives. Style: history+examples.
It turns out that I don’t actually care about the topic (I think?), and care about the frame and the style. I’m happy with this approach.
I like the idea of tabooing “frame”. Thanks for that.
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First of all, in my life I mostly encounter:
(1) -- “trying to push the lens of seeing everything as coordination problems or whatever”—mostly I’m the person doing it. Eg. one of my preferred lenses right now is “society problems are determined by available level of technology and solved by inventing better technology”. Think Scott’s post https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biology-is-mutable/.
(3) -- “friend who tells you about her frames and who isn’t very good at listening”—this is also me to an extent, I think.
(7) -- “a pervasive standard of XYZ”—I don’t know but.. I guess? Probably?
I don’t have experience with other bits of your list, so I won’t comment on them.
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Secondly, so far I haven’t found “noticing frames” to be particularly useful for myself. I wrote Smuggled frames because at the time I wanted to be writing takes / insight porn / I don’t know how to call it. I don’t claim here that frames are important or unimportant in general; I just haven’t noticed much of an impact on myself or others.
For what it’s worth, I can come up with scenarios where noticing frames might be useful for somebody — but I don’t want to be coming up with imaginary scenarios.
//
What I have found useful, on the other hand, is “knowing which frames I like”.
I’ll give two examples:
When I ask my dad a question and he goes in the “national mentality” direction (we Slavic people are XYZ, etc), I just explicitly say “alright, but I’m not interested in this line of thinking though, I’m looking for other possible explanations” and then we don’t end up having an argument. It’s really good for me because I feel like shit after arguments. Previously we would’ve ended up having a long argument and we very often actually did.
When I’m looking for books or posts to read, I ignore ones that use frames that I’m not interested in at the moment. For example, I don’t want to read about contemporary art from the artists’ point of view. I want to read about “contemporary art is an investment vehicle” (see my note on Art Incorporated, which you’ll need to Ctrl+F because I broke it) or maybe lucid reflection about “how it feels to be a contemporary artist”, but none of the weird stuff that I can’t relate to.
It’s like.. you have the topic, you have the frame, and you have the style. Topic: art. Frame: incentives. Style: history+examples.
It turns out that I don’t actually care about the topic (I think?), and care about the frame and the style. I’m happy with this approach.