I could, but it’s 7:57am here, and I need some sleep. And half the information you want is in Arabic, and the other half requires you to understand genetics. And I don’t think you actually care about the answer. But you could probably Google it yourself if you could suppress your biases and your snark.
Remember, you’re looking for these facts, but not necessarily with the exact wording: 1. They saw the USA as somewhere where people are allowed to do whatever they want far more than in other countries or at least than their country. 2. They strongly dislike that fact or think Americans should have to follow harsh laws about many aspects of their life. 3. They are genetically different from us. 4. Genetic differences are caused by mutations in general. 5. They have personality differences from us that seem to be heritable and lead to a desire for external rules and/or violence.
“Citation needed: I’ve never seen the people who hate America call it “a beacon of freedom”. They tend to call it stuff like “imperialist aggressor” instead. And likewise “imperialist aggressor” is rarely used as a descriptor of America by people who love it.
Firstly, people like Michael Moore call America an imperialist aggressor all the time (because it is), but still love America. “Imperialist Aggressor” is our term. Muslim terrorists don’t talk like that as much as we do, because they are also trying to establish an Islamic empire through violent aggression.
Obviously, they are going to use synonyms for “beacon of freedom” rather than saying it word for word. And they would say it in Arabic rather than English, so you’d have no idea what they were saying. They would use an exact synonym like “cesspool of depraved anarchy that’s sucking other countries in to their depravity” which means the same thing. What they would never say that the USA is a tyrannical totalitarian dictatorship.
The people you are thinking of, like “we need more gun control” or “gay people shouldn’t be able to marry” are a bit hostile to freedom, but still very different from Muslim fanatics who think we need to all pray 5 times a day, cover ourselves from head to toe, never criticise our leaders, and a thousand other laws.
First of all, you’re still not showing how it’s genetic differences produce these different outcomes. Some very liberal people I know or have read tend to be atheists that were nonetheless born in Arab backgrounds. Nothing you’ve said, even if I were to concede an actual difference in values, indicates how these different values is produced by genetics rather than religion. Have you seen an Arab atheist argue that we should “pray 5 times a day” for example or “cover ourselves from head to toe”? Probably not.
So is there any correlation about someone’s values when you know they are genetically Arab but you screen off the influence of religion? e.g. How about Christian Egyptians for example. How different in values are they from Christian Greeks compared to Muslim Egyptians?
As for the “never criticize our leaders” value, that’s a meme that some particular ideologies have attempted to spread in different times from Northern Europe to Slavic nations to China to the Arab world. If there’s any causation between it and any particular known genetics of any ethnic group, I don’t have any evidence to identify it. There’s no subservience meme present in the Arab world nowadays that I wouldn’t be able to identify in the Slavic world 30 years ago or in the Germanic world 70 years ago...
Muslim terrorists don’t talk like that as much as we do, because they are also trying to establish an Islamic empire through violent aggression.
Osama Bin Laden in his declaration of war against America starts by speaking “It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies”
This is the sort of ordinary anti-imperialist speech that talks about unjust aggression, looting the wealth of the nation, etc. Nothing of particularly different values in it. I haven’t read the message in its entirety but I looked for the words “depravity” “anarchy” “freedom”, etc, and I couldn’t find them in the list of Osama Bin Laden’s grievances against America.
And yes, of course Muslim terrorists are being hypocritical as they’re also severely imperialistic, but it’s the same hypocrisy I see in fellow Greeks who support their own imperialism and Christian Orthodox imperialism in general (Russian and Serb imperialism), but find objection to other nations being imperialists. Or do Greeks suffer from the same genetic differences that Arabs do that so causes them to have the same values as Arabs?
The people you are thinking of, like “we need more gun control” or “gay people shouldn’t be able to marry” are a bit hostile to freedom,
The people I’m thinking about tend to be Greek (non-Muslims) that cheered the bombing of the twin towers, who vote for people who openly supported the Holocaust (not denied, supported), who would put you in jail for blaspheming against a dead Greek monk that isn’t even an official saint. Except the specific Islam-related stuff (like praying 5 times a day), there’s probably no Arab “difference in values” you’ve observed between Arabs and Westerners that I haven’t observed in Greeks after they’ve been subjected to a couple decades of anti-American and anti-Semetic propaganda.
“Can you actually provide this evidence to us?”
I could, but it’s 7:57am here, and I need some sleep. And half the information you want is in Arabic, and the other half requires you to understand genetics. And I don’t think you actually care about the answer. But you could probably Google it yourself if you could suppress your biases and your snark.
Remember, you’re looking for these facts, but not necessarily with the exact wording: 1. They saw the USA as somewhere where people are allowed to do whatever they want far more than in other countries or at least than their country. 2. They strongly dislike that fact or think Americans should have to follow harsh laws about many aspects of their life. 3. They are genetically different from us. 4. Genetic differences are caused by mutations in general. 5. They have personality differences from us that seem to be heritable and lead to a desire for external rules and/or violence.
“Citation needed: I’ve never seen the people who hate America call it “a beacon of freedom”. They tend to call it stuff like “imperialist aggressor” instead. And likewise “imperialist aggressor” is rarely used as a descriptor of America by people who love it.
Firstly, people like Michael Moore call America an imperialist aggressor all the time (because it is), but still love America. “Imperialist Aggressor” is our term. Muslim terrorists don’t talk like that as much as we do, because they are also trying to establish an Islamic empire through violent aggression.
Obviously, they are going to use synonyms for “beacon of freedom” rather than saying it word for word. And they would say it in Arabic rather than English, so you’d have no idea what they were saying. They would use an exact synonym like “cesspool of depraved anarchy that’s sucking other countries in to their depravity” which means the same thing. What they would never say that the USA is a tyrannical totalitarian dictatorship.
The people you are thinking of, like “we need more gun control” or “gay people shouldn’t be able to marry” are a bit hostile to freedom, but still very different from Muslim fanatics who think we need to all pray 5 times a day, cover ourselves from head to toe, never criticise our leaders, and a thousand other laws.
First of all, you’re still not showing how it’s genetic differences produce these different outcomes. Some very liberal people I know or have read tend to be atheists that were nonetheless born in Arab backgrounds. Nothing you’ve said, even if I were to concede an actual difference in values, indicates how these different values is produced by genetics rather than religion. Have you seen an Arab atheist argue that we should “pray 5 times a day” for example or “cover ourselves from head to toe”? Probably not.
So is there any correlation about someone’s values when you know they are genetically Arab but you screen off the influence of religion? e.g. How about Christian Egyptians for example. How different in values are they from Christian Greeks compared to Muslim Egyptians?
As for the “never criticize our leaders” value, that’s a meme that some particular ideologies have attempted to spread in different times from Northern Europe to Slavic nations to China to the Arab world. If there’s any causation between it and any particular known genetics of any ethnic group, I don’t have any evidence to identify it. There’s no subservience meme present in the Arab world nowadays that I wouldn’t be able to identify in the Slavic world 30 years ago or in the Germanic world 70 years ago...
Osama Bin Laden in his declaration of war against America starts by speaking “It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies”
This is the sort of ordinary anti-imperialist speech that talks about unjust aggression, looting the wealth of the nation, etc. Nothing of particularly different values in it. I haven’t read the message in its entirety but I looked for the words “depravity” “anarchy” “freedom”, etc, and I couldn’t find them in the list of Osama Bin Laden’s grievances against America.
And yes, of course Muslim terrorists are being hypocritical as they’re also severely imperialistic, but it’s the same hypocrisy I see in fellow Greeks who support their own imperialism and Christian Orthodox imperialism in general (Russian and Serb imperialism), but find objection to other nations being imperialists. Or do Greeks suffer from the same genetic differences that Arabs do that so causes them to have the same values as Arabs?
The people I’m thinking about tend to be Greek (non-Muslims) that cheered the bombing of the twin towers, who vote for people who openly supported the Holocaust (not denied, supported), who would put you in jail for blaspheming against a dead Greek monk that isn’t even an official saint. Except the specific Islam-related stuff (like praying 5 times a day), there’s probably no Arab “difference in values” you’ve observed between Arabs and Westerners that I haven’t observed in Greeks after they’ve been subjected to a couple decades of anti-American and anti-Semetic propaganda.