If you feel like naming this valiant man in private, I commit to
Hi! 18239018038528017428 is almost certainly referring to me! (I would have predicted that you’d already have known this from Facebook, but apparently that prediction was wrong.)
somewhat abhorrent and damaging to the social fabric to start these conversations in any but the most careful and respectful way.
I tried that first. It turns out that it doesn’t work: any substantive, clearly-worded claims just get adversarially defined as insufficiently respectful. I still had something incredibly important to protect (there is a word for the beautiful feeling at the center of my life, and the word is not woman; I want the right to use my word, and I want the right to do psychology in public and get the right answer), so I started trying other things.
Zack, I think the problem (from my perspective) is that you tried being respectful in private, and by the time you started talking about this publicly, you were already being really harsh and difficult to talk to. I never got to interact with careful/respectful you on this topic.
(I understand this may have been emotionally necessary/unavoidable for you. But still, from my perspective there was a missing step in your escalation process. Though I should acknowledge that you spurred me to do some reading & writing I would not otherwise have done, and it’s not impossible that your harshness jolted me into feeling the need to do that.)
Thanks. I don’t think that would be good for me, at least right now, but thanks for the offer.
My thoughts on the matter are mostly in my ITT entry on Ozy’s blog and then also in the most recent thread on this topic on their blog. I guess I’d be somewhat curious about your responses to those thoughts.
any substantive, clearly-worded claims just get adversarially defined as insufficiently respectful
I agree. E.g. Scott Alexander has said he will ban people from his blog is they do not speak as if the trans theories were true, even if they believe them to be false. But that doesn’t mean it is a good option to be as rude as possible, like 18239018038528017428 above. (Obviously I am not saying that you have adopted this approach either.)
Hi! 18239018038528017428 is almost certainly referring to me! (I would have predicted that you’d already have known this from Facebook, but apparently that prediction was wrong.)
I tried that first. It turns out that it doesn’t work: any substantive, clearly-worded claims just get adversarially defined as insufficiently respectful. I still had something incredibly important to protect (there is a word for the beautiful feeling at the center of my life, and the word is not woman; I want the right to use my word, and I want the right to do psychology in public and get the right answer), so I started trying other things.
Zack, I think the problem (from my perspective) is that you tried being respectful in private, and by the time you started talking about this publicly, you were already being really harsh and difficult to talk to. I never got to interact with careful/respectful you on this topic.
(I understand this may have been emotionally necessary/unavoidable for you. But still, from my perspective there was a missing step in your escalation process. Though I should acknowledge that you spurred me to do some reading & writing I would not otherwise have done, and it’s not impossible that your harshness jolted me into feeling the need to do that.)
Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry. Feel free to say more or PM me if you want to try to have a careful-and-respectful discussion now (if you trust me).
Thanks. I don’t think that would be good for me, at least right now, but thanks for the offer.
My thoughts on the matter are mostly in my ITT entry on Ozy’s blog and then also in the most recent thread on this topic on their blog. I guess I’d be somewhat curious about your responses to those thoughts.
I agree. E.g. Scott Alexander has said he will ban people from his blog is they do not speak as if the trans theories were true, even if they believe them to be false. But that doesn’t mean it is a good option to be as rude as possible, like 18239018038528017428 above. (Obviously I am not saying that you have adopted this approach either.)