Ah, thanks. Turns out I do know who you are and have already thought about the question of why (and to what extent) the community continues to interact with you to my satisfaction. (And yes, the throwaway’s description of you is somewhat misleading, though mostly that’s because, from their behavior, I would expect anyone they praise to be terrible without redeeming features).
have already thought about the question of why (and to what extent) the community continues to interact with you to my satisfaction.
For obvious reasons, I’m extremely curious to hear your analysis if you’re willing to share. (Feel free to PM me.)
from their behavior, I would expect anyone they praise to be terrible without redeeming features
I don’t think that’s a good inference! (See the anti-halo effect and “Are Your Enemies Innately Evil?”) Even if you think the throwaway’s rudeness and hostility makes them terrible, does it really make sense for guilt-by-association to propagate to anyone the throwaway approves of for any reason?
(from the great-grandparent)
This is about behavior, not belief. [...] (for their proselytizing, not for their beliefs)
I think it would be less cruel and more honest to just advocate for punishing people who believe a claim, rather than to advocate for punishing people who argue for the claim while simultaneously insisting that this isn’t a punishment for the belief. What would be the point of restricting speech if the goal isn’t to restrict thought?
For obvious reasons, I’m extremely curious to hear your analysis if you’re willing to share. (Feel free to PM me.)
Probably this is going to be too blunt, but it’s honest, and I’m assuming you’d prefer that:
Basically, because you are psychotic, not an asshole (or at least, afaict, only an asshole as a consequence). And dealing with people who are behaving poorly because of mental issues is a hard problem, especially in a community where so many people have mental issues of one sort or another.
Again, this doesn’t mean I disagree with you (and again neither have I claimed to agree). The fact of your psychosis is not obviously prior to your beliefs. But it is very obviously prior to how you have acted on those beliefs. Or at least it is obvious to me, having spent a great deal of time with friends who behave like you’ve behaved (in public, at any rate; of course you should discount this evidence given that I haven’t interacted with you in person, or at least not much).
Even if you think the throwaway’s rudeness and hostility makes them terrible, does it really make sense for guilt-by-association to propagate to anyone the throwaway approves of for any reason?
It’s evidence, yes.
I think it would be less cruel and more honest to just advocate for punishing people who believe a claim, rather than to advocate for punishing people who argue for the claim while simultaneously insisting that this isn’t a punishment for the belief. What would be the point of restricting speech if the goal isn’t to restrict thought?
… This is a much larger conversation for another time. If you have not already internalized “just because I believe something is true does not make it socially acceptable for me to go around trying to convince everyone else that it’s true”, I don’t know that I will be able to briefly explain to you why that is the case.
but it’s honest, and I’m assuming you’d prefer that
Yes, thank you!
Basically, because you are psychotic
I definitely went through some psychosis states back in February and April, but I seem to be pretty stably back to my old self now. (For whatever that might be worth!) I have a lot of regrets about this period, but I don’t regret most of my public comments.
If you have not already internalized “just because I believe something is true does not make it socially acceptable for me to go around trying to convince everyone else that it’s true”, I don’t know that I will be able to briefly explain to you why that is the case.
Oh, I think I understand why; I’m not that socially retarded. Even so—if there’s going to be one goddamned place in the entire goddamned world where people put relatively more emphasis on “arguing for true propositions about human psychology because they’re true” and relatively less emphasis on social acceptability, shouldn’t it be _us_? I could believe that there are such things as information hazards—I wouldn’t publicize instructions on how to cheaply build a suitcase nuke—but this isn’t one of them.
if there’s going to be one goddamned place in the entire goddamned world where people put relatively more emphasis on “arguing for true propositions about human psychology because they’re true” and relatively less emphasis on social acceptability, shouldn’t it be us?
Sure. And we do put relatively more emphasis. But we have not completely and totally thrown away all social convention. Nor should we: much of it exists for good reason.
Ah, thanks. Turns out I do know who you are and have already thought about the question of why (and to what extent) the community continues to interact with you to my satisfaction. (And yes, the throwaway’s description of you is somewhat misleading, though mostly that’s because, from their behavior, I would expect anyone they praise to be terrible without redeeming features).
For obvious reasons, I’m extremely curious to hear your analysis if you’re willing to share. (Feel free to PM me.)
I don’t think that’s a good inference! (See the anti-halo effect and “Are Your Enemies Innately Evil?”) Even if you think the throwaway’s rudeness and hostility makes them terrible, does it really make sense for guilt-by-association to propagate to anyone the throwaway approves of for any reason?
(from the great-grandparent)
I think it would be less cruel and more honest to just advocate for punishing people who believe a claim, rather than to advocate for punishing people who argue for the claim while simultaneously insisting that this isn’t a punishment for the belief. What would be the point of restricting speech if the goal isn’t to restrict thought?
Probably this is going to be too blunt, but it’s honest, and I’m assuming you’d prefer that:
Basically, because you are psychotic, not an asshole (or at least, afaict, only an asshole as a consequence). And dealing with people who are behaving poorly because of mental issues is a hard problem, especially in a community where so many people have mental issues of one sort or another.
Again, this doesn’t mean I disagree with you (and again neither have I claimed to agree). The fact of your psychosis is not obviously prior to your beliefs. But it is very obviously prior to how you have acted on those beliefs. Or at least it is obvious to me, having spent a great deal of time with friends who behave like you’ve behaved (in public, at any rate; of course you should discount this evidence given that I haven’t interacted with you in person, or at least not much).
It’s evidence, yes.
… This is a much larger conversation for another time. If you have not already internalized “just because I believe something is true does not make it socially acceptable for me to go around trying to convince everyone else that it’s true”, I don’t know that I will be able to briefly explain to you why that is the case.
Yes, thank you!
I definitely went through some psychosis states back in February and April, but I seem to be pretty stably back to my old self now. (For whatever that might be worth!) I have a lot of regrets about this period, but I don’t regret most of my public comments.
Oh, I think I understand why; I’m not that socially retarded. Even so—if there’s going to be one goddamned place in the entire goddamned world where people put relatively more emphasis on “arguing for true propositions about human psychology because they’re true” and relatively less emphasis on social acceptability, shouldn’t it be _us_? I could believe that there are such things as information hazards—I wouldn’t publicize instructions on how to cheaply build a suitcase nuke—but this isn’t one of them.
Sure. And we do put relatively more emphasis. But we have not completely and totally thrown away all social convention. Nor should we: much of it exists for good reason.