Iain M Bank’s The Culture, as an example of a society of aligned AI, biological humanoids, and aliens seems like the obvious one, along with other positive, collaborative, AI portrayals
Thanks for the suggestion. I haven’t read it. I’d thought from hearsay that it is rather lacking in “light”—a bunch of people who’re kinda bored and can’t remember the meaning of life—is that true? Could be worth it anyway.
It’s heavily implied in the novels we only see the “disaffected” lot—people who experience ennui, etc. and are drawn to find meaning out of a sense of meaninglesness even in somewhat inadvisable ways—and the whole of Culture is mostly exploring the state space of consciousness and the nature of reality, sort of LARPing individual humanity as a mode of exploration—you can for instance upgrade yourself from a humanoid into something resembling a Mind to a degree if you want to, it just seems this is not the path we mostly see mentioned. It’s just that that sort of thing is not narratively exciting for most people, and Banks is, after all, in the entertainment business in a sense.
There are interesting themes explored in the books that go beyond just the “cinematic fireworks and a sense of scale”. For instance, it is suggested that the Culture could have the option to simply opt out of Samasara, but refuses to do this out the suspicion that the possibility of Sublimation—collectively entering Nirvana—would be to cop out, preventing them from helping sentient beings. (There’s a conflation of sapience and sentience in the books, and disregard for the plight of sentient beings who are not “intelligent” to a sufficient degree, but otherwise there’s an underlying sentientist/truth-seeking slant to it.)
The Minds of Culture are also represented to be basically extremely sophisticated consequentialists with appreciation for “Knightian uncertainty” and wary about total certainty about their understanding of the nature of reality, although it’s not clear if they’re e.g. super intelligent negative utilitarian Boddhisattva beings—in the Culture world there seems still be belief in individual, metaphysically enduring personal identity extending to the Minds themselves, but it might also be that this is again a narrative device—or some sort of anti-realists about ethics but on the side of the angels just for the heck of it, because why not, what else could there be to do? Or some combination of both—like, if you’ve solved the problem of suffering, in the sense of having calibrated your efforts correctly, why not dance super gracefully and blissfully through it all, creating positive experiences in the course of this process? One theme that suffuses the work is the ethical responsibility of super-intelligent beings, cooperation strategies and a sort of irreverent spirit of ethical seriousness and truth seeking that’s very EA like.
That said, personally I think the work of suffering-focused ethicists—including those long past in many contemplative traditions—including “Those who walk away from Omelas” are a very important part of the “heritage of humanity”, in a sense a testament to our ability to see beyond our evolutionary programming and into what really matters: the well-being of all sentient beings. But a Culture Mind of the ship named “Boddhisattva” representing a fictional culture that refuses the easy way out out of suspicion to do so would to shirk one’s ethical duties would not be amiss either. This especially so if LLMs are making the world slightly fictional in some weird sense and might latch on into the most sophisticated and interesting attractors...
Iain M Bank’s The Culture, as an example of a society of aligned AI, biological humanoids, and aliens seems like the obvious one, along with other positive, collaborative, AI portrayals
Thanks for the suggestion. I haven’t read it. I’d thought from hearsay that it is rather lacking in “light”—a bunch of people who’re kinda bored and can’t remember the meaning of life—is that true? Could be worth it anyway.
It’s heavily implied in the novels we only see the “disaffected” lot—people who experience ennui, etc. and are drawn to find meaning out of a sense of meaninglesness even in somewhat inadvisable ways—and the whole of Culture is mostly exploring the state space of consciousness and the nature of reality, sort of LARPing individual humanity as a mode of exploration—you can for instance upgrade yourself from a humanoid into something resembling a Mind to a degree if you want to, it just seems this is not the path we mostly see mentioned. It’s just that that sort of thing is not narratively exciting for most people, and Banks is, after all, in the entertainment business in a sense.
There are interesting themes explored in the books that go beyond just the “cinematic fireworks and a sense of scale”. For instance, it is suggested that the Culture could have the option to simply opt out of Samasara, but refuses to do this out the suspicion that the possibility of Sublimation—collectively entering Nirvana—would be to cop out, preventing them from helping sentient beings. (There’s a conflation of sapience and sentience in the books, and disregard for the plight of sentient beings who are not “intelligent” to a sufficient degree, but otherwise there’s an underlying sentientist/truth-seeking slant to it.)
The Minds of Culture are also represented to be basically extremely sophisticated consequentialists with appreciation for “Knightian uncertainty” and wary about total certainty about their understanding of the nature of reality, although it’s not clear if they’re e.g. super intelligent negative utilitarian Boddhisattva beings—in the Culture world there seems still be belief in individual, metaphysically enduring personal identity extending to the Minds themselves, but it might also be that this is again a narrative device—or some sort of anti-realists about ethics but on the side of the angels just for the heck of it, because why not, what else could there be to do? Or some combination of both—like, if you’ve solved the problem of suffering, in the sense of having calibrated your efforts correctly, why not dance super gracefully and blissfully through it all, creating positive experiences in the course of this process? One theme that suffuses the work is the ethical responsibility of super-intelligent beings, cooperation strategies and a sort of irreverent spirit of ethical seriousness and truth seeking that’s very EA like.
That said, personally I think the work of suffering-focused ethicists—including those long past in many contemplative traditions—including “Those who walk away from Omelas” are a very important part of the “heritage of humanity”, in a sense a testament to our ability to see beyond our evolutionary programming and into what really matters: the well-being of all sentient beings. But a Culture Mind of the ship named “Boddhisattva” representing a fictional culture that refuses the easy way out out of suspicion to do so would to shirk one’s ethical duties would not be amiss either. This especially so if LLMs are making the world slightly fictional in some weird sense and might latch on into the most sophisticated and interesting attractors...