Your attempt to break down the Circling skill is creating a good example of the original problem at hand.
I notice a fracture between my frame of Circling and your frame of it. The gap is not all that bad, as far as I can tell. Like, bridging seems fairly plausible (rather than totally impossible, as it seems in certain situations). But also, it seems like it might take quite a bit of work to bridge with appropriate fidelity.
IMO a sloppy, imprecise, or agreeable person might be willing to interpret your version as a ‘basically good enough’ translation of Circling practice into rationalist terminology… and consider them basically describing the same thing in the end.
But I’m not willing to compromise the significant assumptions underneath my frame, and I imagine the other person shouldn’t either… at least as long as we’re both keeping track of something Real. Compromising on this seems good for coordination and harmony purposes but not good for getting to the bottom of what each of us really sees, believes, and acts in accord with.
So here, you and I might actually be able to try the technique and see what happens. ! :0
My own attempt to Taboo Circling… here is the skill breakdown:
Staying at the level of sensation. This is one of the 5 Principles in the Circling Europe school. So, the ability to not automatically go into stories but to stay present with the arising and passing of phenomena, especially based in the physical, emotional, and energetic bodies.
Sincerity. Or maybe meta-sincerity, if you like. Showing up without pretense, as much as possible. Authentic, real-time expression. (Obviously, some amount of insincerity or pretense is fine, esp if this can be held and revealed sincerely.)
Holding one’s own experiences without putting it on the other person, aka owning one’s experience, and being responsible for your nervous system responses. Avoiding victim consciousness / getting swallowed by the drama triangle. You can hold your own wounded inner children, trauma responses, etc. You don’t fall into total nervous system dysregulation when triggered. You can stay conscious and present even while activated. You take responsibility for your own reactions and don’t resort to merely blaming external circumstances.
Ability to go beyond ego. If the ego drives, then instead of just being with what is happening, the ego will attempt to do things like… turn everything that is happening into a story about the self. Or get something it wants, like validation or a sense of belonging or a pleasant experience or a novel idea. One of the main issues with the ego driving is that you will fail to see the other person as a person, instead trying to use them as a means to an end. While assuming that you ARE seeing them and treating them like a full person.
Bonus skill: You are very perceptive about what’s going on, at multiple levels. And you can turn that into articulate words. ! But if you yourself aren’t good at this, it seems fine… a third party can do this part.
Your attempt to break down the Circling skill is creating a good example of the original problem at hand.
I notice a fracture between my frame of Circling and your frame of it. The gap is not all that bad, as far as I can tell. Like, bridging seems fairly plausible (rather than totally impossible, as it seems in certain situations). But also, it seems like it might take quite a bit of work to bridge with appropriate fidelity.
IMO a sloppy, imprecise, or agreeable person might be willing to interpret your version as a ‘basically good enough’ translation of Circling practice into rationalist terminology… and consider them basically describing the same thing in the end.
But I’m not willing to compromise the significant assumptions underneath my frame, and I imagine the other person shouldn’t either… at least as long as we’re both keeping track of something Real. Compromising on this seems good for coordination and harmony purposes but not good for getting to the bottom of what each of us really sees, believes, and acts in accord with.
So here, you and I might actually be able to try the technique and see what happens. ! :0
My own attempt to Taboo Circling… here is the skill breakdown:
Staying at the level of sensation. This is one of the 5 Principles in the Circling Europe school. So, the ability to not automatically go into stories but to stay present with the arising and passing of phenomena, especially based in the physical, emotional, and energetic bodies.
Sincerity. Or maybe meta-sincerity, if you like. Showing up without pretense, as much as possible. Authentic, real-time expression. (Obviously, some amount of insincerity or pretense is fine, esp if this can be held and revealed sincerely.)
Holding one’s own experiences without putting it on the other person, aka owning one’s experience, and being responsible for your nervous system responses. Avoiding victim consciousness / getting swallowed by the drama triangle. You can hold your own wounded inner children, trauma responses, etc. You don’t fall into total nervous system dysregulation when triggered. You can stay conscious and present even while activated. You take responsibility for your own reactions and don’t resort to merely blaming external circumstances.
Ability to go beyond ego. If the ego drives, then instead of just being with what is happening, the ego will attempt to do things like… turn everything that is happening into a story about the self. Or get something it wants, like validation or a sense of belonging or a pleasant experience or a novel idea. One of the main issues with the ego driving is that you will fail to see the other person as a person, instead trying to use them as a means to an end. While assuming that you ARE seeing them and treating them like a full person.
Bonus skill: You are very perceptive about what’s going on, at multiple levels. And you can turn that into articulate words. ! But if you yourself aren’t good at this, it seems fine… a third party can do this part.