There’s a single standard archetype which explains all the most successful teams. It goes like this: [someone powerful from the MPR cluster, ideally P], [a frontman, selected from GLS], [someone long-ranged, selected from CHJ]. In other words, this one is all about getting a good range of effective ranges in your team.
My tentative PVE submission is therefore:
Hurler, Legionary, Professor
However:
I’m pretty sure there’s some second-order rock-paper-scissors stuff going on that I’m not accounting for: Rangers seem better than Professors at beating Samurai in particular, Marauders seem to have a similar speciality when fighting Tyrants, Duelists/Bandits beat Amazons/Wizards beat Legionaries/Golems beat Duelists/Bandits
I haven’t looked into how a bunch of strong/sturdy/snipey trios behave facing off against each other, which is relevant both because the PVE enemy is that kind of trio and because the PVP arena will probably be full of them.
Based on my research so far, I can’t rule out that there’s some secondary archetype which sucks in general but acts as a magic bullet against strong/sturdy/snipey trios in particular.
I have a stupidly ambitious ML thing I want to use this challenge as an excuse to (try to) do.
So it’ll take me a while to decide on my PVP allocation, and I’m reserving the right to change my PVE one.
Threw XGBoost at the problem and asked it about every possible matchup with FRS; it seems to think
my non-ML-based pick is either optimal or close-to-optimal for countering that lineup.
(I’m still wary of using ML on a problem instead of thinking things through, but if it confirms the answer I got by thinking things through, that’s pretty reassuring.)
Just recording for posterity that yes, I have noticed that
Rangers are unusually good at handling Samurai, so it might make sense to have one on my PVE team.
However, I’ve also noticed that
Rangers are unusually BAD at handling Felons, to a similar or greater degree.
As such,
I think it makes more sense to keep Pyro Professor as my mid-range heavy-hitter in PVE.
(. . . to my surprise, this seems to be the only bit of hero-specific rock-paper-scissors that’s relevant to the PVE challenge. I suspect I’m missing something here.)
My main finding thus far:
There’s a single standard archetype which explains all the most successful teams. It goes like this: [someone powerful from the MPR cluster, ideally P], [a frontman, selected from GLS], [someone long-ranged, selected from CHJ]. In other words, this one is all about getting a good range of effective ranges in your team.
My tentative PVE submission is therefore:
Hurler, Legionary, Professor
However:
I’m pretty sure there’s some second-order rock-paper-scissors stuff going on that I’m not accounting for: Rangers seem better than Professors at beating Samurai in particular, Marauders seem to have a similar speciality when fighting Tyrants, Duelists/Bandits beat Amazons/Wizards beat Legionaries/Golems beat Duelists/Bandits
I haven’t looked into how a bunch of strong/sturdy/snipey trios behave facing off against each other, which is relevant both because the PVE enemy is that kind of trio and because the PVP arena will probably be full of them.
Based on my research so far, I can’t rule out that there’s some secondary archetype which sucks in general but acts as a magic bullet against strong/sturdy/snipey trios in particular.
I have a stupidly ambitious ML thing I want to use this challenge as an excuse to (try to) do.
So it’ll take me a while to decide on my PVP allocation, and I’m reserving the right to change my PVE one.
Threw XGBoost at the problem and asked it about every possible matchup with FRS; it seems to think
my non-ML-based pick is either optimal or close-to-optimal for countering that lineup.
(I’m still wary of using ML on a problem instead of thinking things through, but if it confirms the answer I got by thinking things through, that’s pretty reassuring.)
Therefore, I’ve decided
to keep HLP as my PVE team.
And I’ve DM’d aphyer my PVP selection.
Just recording for posterity that yes, I have noticed that
Rangers are unusually good at handling Samurai, so it might make sense to have one on my PVE team.
However, I’ve also noticed that
Rangers are unusually BAD at handling Felons, to a similar or greater degree.
As such,
I think it makes more sense to keep Pyro Professor as my mid-range heavy-hitter in PVE.
(. . . to my surprise, this seems to be the only bit of hero-specific rock-paper-scissors that’s relevant to the PVE challenge. I suspect I’m missing something here.)