I have questions based on the research done on colour blind monkeys that suggests the brain fills in certain aspects of perception and how much of our perception is subjective eg the essence or isness or the form ? Considering it has been said beyond our subjective perception is the world of quantum fields and particles , or is this discounting evolution ?
If evolution isn’t real, then does this change how much of human perception is likely to be subjective. Ie if god created the universe and resides in another dimension then is our subjective perception based on consciousness and is this related to the quantum world and if it is then why don’t we directly perceive quantum fields and particles. I think this suggests our subjective perception goes beyond isness and extends to form and may even be emergent at the consciousness level as opposed to the brain. Which if the latter is true I think raises questions of how much of reality do we share as sentient beings and why don’t we directly perceive them eg quantum fields and particles ?
If it’s the bitterness of coffee that gives you a jolt and causes you to be more alert then does this prove qualia false (although qualia can refer to the isness or quality of an experience which i think can be different to its stated isness or quality, although for something to taste not only reportedly bitter but also have stimulating effects you would think there would have to be a congruency between the two where the bitterness was causing the alertness by its very nature) as that bitterness would need to be common to all coffee drinkers to have that effect unless coffees bitterness and it stimulating effects are psychosomatic and possibly due to the power of suggestion , where by it was anecdotally reported that coffee was bitter and increased alertness and this perception influenced other people’s experience of coffee. However this itself raises questions of subjective perception and qualia. It reminds me of the time I ate anchovies on pizza without realising it and thought they were delicious until I realised there were anchovies on the pizza which I normally don’t like at which point they tasted disgusting to me. I think this is an example of the power of the subconscious mind to influence perception and possibly even neurotransmitter levels via that perception. But is this enjoyment related to the quality of the experience or something else ? Although if the coffees stimulating effects were caused by perception rather than a chemical influence then coffee mixed with milk and sugar wouldn’t have the same stimulating effect ? Unless that too is influenced by the power of suggestion and expectation ?
If relational consciousness is real then shouldn’t machines already be self aware ?
Just googled about objective understanding and qualia and then I thought if relational consciousness is true then machines should already be self aware.
Unless hameroff is right when he says the computational power needed to match the human brain hasn’t been achieved. Which may mean the machines are aware via relational consciousness, just not very aware ?
“humans have full, immediate understanding of their own qualia from the inside, but they cannot easily translate this private understanding into a public, objective scientific model.”
It would seems thoughts maybe are atomic in nature as the secret claims (which I guess explains the law of attraction via electromagnetism) because fMRI scans which use magnets can’t prove telepathy in twins despite years of anecdotal evidence saying twins are linked telepathically. Unless the universe is dualist in nature and thoughts are spiritual but interface with the electromagnetic material nature of the physical universe. Or if relational consciousness is true and thoughts are emergent from the interaction between sensory input and brain processes or thoughts arise from relational interaction between brain regions. Then thoughts could still somehow be linked to electromagnetic brain waves in dualist or materialist philosophies.
What exactly is the evidence that the Secret uses to claim that thoughts are “atomic”? I can’t reconcile that with the common writing advice that a sentence should contain only a single thought.
“A sentence should contain a complete thought.”[1]
“One thought per sentence. Readers only process one thought at a time.”[2]
“The point of a sentence is to communicate a thought—that’s basically what a sentence is, a complete thought.”[4]
Some even suggest that only one thought should be expressed in an entire paragraph.
Even looking at a simple sentence like “The Cat is Sleeping” I’m not sure how this could be encoded in a single atom in the mind—because it requires a knowledge of what a cat is, what sleeping is, and how to perform the Categories denoted by “the” and the coupla. Most thoughts are more complex.
What, then, exactly constitutes a thought? Not in the materialist sense, but in the phenomenological sense. At what point would a sentence contain two thoughts rather than one?
I am wondering if perception is subjective does this make telepathy impossible as there would need to be a translation mechanism between sender of thought and receiver to translate the message into the receivers subjective perception based thought form which the sender probably couldn’t have the same subjective perception form of (I wonder what the odds are of this ?). With this in mind I wondered if all instances of telepathy are actually precognition possibly enabled by some quantum phenomenon?
Unless idealism is right and consciousness precedes matter with consciousness possibly acting as the ether and common awareness substance that allows for phenomena like telepathy and the shared perception of consciousness generated perception (qualia) ?
I have more rough takes that I posted under various topics that I will post soon.
I have questions based on the research done on colour blind monkeys that suggests the brain fills in certain aspects of perception and how much of our perception is subjective eg the essence or isness or the form ? Considering it has been said beyond our subjective perception is the world of quantum fields and particles , or is this discounting evolution ?
If evolution isn’t real, then does this change how much of human perception is likely to be subjective. Ie if god created the universe and resides in another dimension then is our subjective perception based on consciousness and is this related to the quantum world and if it is then why don’t we directly perceive quantum fields and particles. I think this suggests our subjective perception goes beyond isness and extends to form and may even be emergent at the consciousness level as opposed to the brain. Which if the latter is true I think raises questions of how much of reality do we share as sentient beings and why don’t we directly perceive them eg quantum fields and particles ?
If it’s the bitterness of coffee that gives you a jolt and causes you to be more alert then does this prove qualia false (although qualia can refer to the isness or quality of an experience which i think can be different to its stated isness or quality, although for something to taste not only reportedly bitter but also have stimulating effects you would think there would have to be a congruency between the two where the bitterness was causing the alertness by its very nature) as that bitterness would need to be common to all coffee drinkers to have that effect unless coffees bitterness and it stimulating effects are psychosomatic and possibly due to the power of suggestion , where by it was anecdotally reported that coffee was bitter and increased alertness and this perception influenced other people’s experience of coffee. However this itself raises questions of subjective perception and qualia.
It reminds me of the time I ate anchovies on pizza without realising it and thought they were delicious until I realised there were anchovies on the pizza which I normally don’t like at which point they tasted disgusting to me. I think this is an example of the power of the subconscious mind to influence perception and possibly even neurotransmitter levels via that perception. But is this enjoyment related to the quality of the experience or something else ?
Although if the coffees stimulating effects were caused by perception rather than a chemical influence then coffee mixed with milk and sugar wouldn’t have the same stimulating effect ? Unless that too is influenced by the power of suggestion and expectation ?
If relational consciousness is real then shouldn’t machines already be self aware ?
Just googled about objective understanding and qualia and then I thought if relational consciousness is true then machines should already be self aware.
Unless hameroff is right when he says the computational power needed to match the human brain hasn’t been achieved. Which may mean the machines are aware via relational consciousness, just not very aware ?
“humans have full, immediate understanding of their own qualia from the inside, but they cannot easily translate this private understanding into a public, objective scientific model.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201606/the-myth-sentient-machines#:~:text=Yet%20somehow%20we%20experience%20the%20world%20subjectively—from,a%20nail%2C%20or%20hear%20a%20moody%20orchestra.
It would seems thoughts maybe are atomic in nature as the secret claims (which I guess explains the law of attraction via electromagnetism) because fMRI scans which use magnets can’t prove telepathy in twins despite years of anecdotal evidence saying twins are linked telepathically.
Unless the universe is dualist in nature and thoughts are spiritual but interface with the electromagnetic material nature of the physical universe.
Or if relational consciousness is true and thoughts are emergent from the interaction between sensory input and brain processes or thoughts arise from relational interaction between brain regions. Then thoughts could still somehow be linked to electromagnetic brain waves in dualist or materialist philosophies.
What exactly is the evidence that the Secret uses to claim that thoughts are “atomic”?
I can’t reconcile that with the common writing advice that a sentence should contain only a single thought.
Some even suggest that only one thought should be expressed in an entire paragraph.
Even looking at a simple sentence like “The Cat is Sleeping” I’m not sure how this could be encoded in a single atom in the mind—because it requires a knowledge of what a cat is, what sleeping is, and how to perform the Categories denoted by “the” and the coupla. Most thoughts are more complex.
What, then, exactly constitutes a thought? Not in the materialist sense, but in the phenomenological sense. At what point would a sentence contain two thoughts rather than one?
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/simple-sentences-period/
https://advicetowriters.com/advice/2016/6/16/one-thought-per-sentence.html but also https://writingscientist.com/sentence-structure/
https://arc.educationapps.vic.gov.au/learning/sites/english-literacy-skills-lesson-plans/2535/A-sentence-is-a-complete-thought
https://www.millersbookreview.com/p/how-long-should-this-sentence-be
The question this video raises for me is how do light waves and the different shapes and patterns they come in affect subjective perception ?
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSaw6xdEP/
I am wondering if perception is subjective does this make telepathy impossible as there would need to be a translation mechanism between sender of thought and receiver to translate the message into the receivers subjective perception based thought form which the sender probably couldn’t have the same subjective perception form of (I wonder what the odds are of this ?). With this in mind I wondered if all instances of telepathy are actually precognition possibly enabled by some quantum phenomenon?
Unless idealism is right and consciousness precedes matter with consciousness possibly acting as the ether and common awareness substance that allows for phenomena like telepathy and the shared perception of consciousness generated perception (qualia) ?
I have more rough takes that I posted under various topics that I will post soon.