A lot of the concepts discussed in the OP (and subsequent discussion) touch on identity politics. People often come to that sort of discussion with very different assumptions and strong feelings which make it easier than normal for discussions to talk past each other, or feel that other people are talking in bad faith, etc.
I think it’s important to be able to talk about this sort of thing, but politics is hard mode for rational discourse. I don’t have any particular comments on the existing discussion at the time I write this, but think it might be helpful if people spent a bit more effort on conversational charity than normal.
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A lot of the concepts discussed in the OP (and subsequent discussion) touch on identity politics. People often come to that sort of discussion with very different assumptions and strong feelings which make it easier than normal for discussions to talk past each other, or feel that other people are talking in bad faith, etc.
I think it’s important to be able to talk about this sort of thing, but politics is hard mode for rational discourse. I don’t have any particular comments on the existing discussion at the time I write this, but think it might be helpful if people spent a bit more effort on conversational charity than normal.