So I’ve turned on the tv to watch a debate on evolution and creationism on CNN (or Fox News). The creationists have sent an older, respectable-looking gentleman in a suit, bible in hand. The evolutionists have sent a scrappy-looking college kid in jeans, barely out of his diapers and studying something fancy-shmancy at the University of Liberal Professors, Berkeley.
A priori, whose side will I be on?
How many people will think: “Is this the best guy the evolutionists have to offer?”
I know that the student would be studying a related field; that was not the point. I as a hypothetical viewer would not care what the grad student was studying, exactly, I would care that he was only a 20-year old graduate student still studying at a university (that I would assume to be populated with liberal professors).
“Winners don’t win by playing dumb.”
And that is why I don’t get this proposal. It is assumed that this college student would absolutely destroy the creationist debater and persuade the open-minded and objective audience through sheer, well, persuasiveness. But the audience, unless already completely in favor of evolution, is at least sympathetic to the creationist and interested in their views. This proposal would signal that this experienced debater and high-status leader of a movement is no more than a wet-behind-the-ears, unexperienced student. Doubting listeners would dismiss this fact out of hand and a priori; they will think it condescending to send someone like that to debate someone like this, which it is, to the creationist but especially to the audience. They will then attach less weight to any arguments, however persuasive, the student would make.
Biasing your audience against you before the debate has even started is not a viable tactic.
Okay, but he’s clearly young. I don’t see how sending a low-status person to debate a high-status person could ever convince the adherents of the high-status person.
They are. But that’s also where Hans’ point is most important. Will the fact that what the student is saying is ‘obviously being right’ overcome the flair, status and woo of his opponent in influence on the audience? I’d be very surprised.
So I’ve turned on the tv to watch a debate on evolution and creationism on CNN (or Fox News). The creationists have sent an older, respectable-looking gentleman in a suit, bible in hand. The evolutionists have sent a scrappy-looking college kid in jeans, barely out of his diapers and studying something fancy-shmancy at the University of Liberal Professors, Berkeley.
A priori, whose side will I be on?
How many people will think: “Is this the best guy the evolutionists have to offer?”
No, the student would be studying something related, such as biology, evo psych, geology; and the university would be a scientific one.
Winners don’t win by playing dumb.
I know that the student would be studying a related field; that was not the point. I as a hypothetical viewer would not care what the grad student was studying, exactly, I would care that he was only a 20-year old graduate student still studying at a university (that I would assume to be populated with liberal professors).
“Winners don’t win by playing dumb.”
And that is why I don’t get this proposal. It is assumed that this college student would absolutely destroy the creationist debater and persuade the open-minded and objective audience through sheer, well, persuasiveness. But the audience, unless already completely in favor of evolution, is at least sympathetic to the creationist and interested in their views. This proposal would signal that this experienced debater and high-status leader of a movement is no more than a wet-behind-the-ears, unexperienced student. Doubting listeners would dismiss this fact out of hand and a priori; they will think it condescending to send someone like that to debate someone like this, which it is, to the creationist but especially to the audience. They will then attach less weight to any arguments, however persuasive, the student would make.
Biasing your audience against you before the debate has even started is not a viable tactic.
The college student doesn’t have to wear jeans...
Yes he does. disrespect is part of the point, and Americans like underdogs and generally don’t like young members of the establishment.
Okay, but he’s clearly young. I don’t see how sending a low-status person to debate a high-status person could ever convince the adherents of the high-status person.
I think the opinions of bystanders are more important.
They are. But that’s also where Hans’ point is most important. Will the fact that what the student is saying is ‘obviously being right’ overcome the flair, status and woo of his opponent in influence on the audience? I’d be very surprised.