Purely on Valentine’s own professed standards: Of all the ways to “snap someone out of it”, why pick one that seems the most like brainwashing? If the FBI needs to un-brainwash a dangerous cult member, do they gaslight them? Do they do a paternalistic “if you feel angry, that means I’m right” maneuver? Do they say “well I’m not too concerned if you think I’m right” to the patient?
Strong agree with TekhneMakre’s comment.
Purely on Valentine’s own professed standards: Of all the ways to “snap someone out of it”, why pick one that seems the most like brainwashing? If the FBI needs to un-brainwash a dangerous cult member, do they gaslight them? Do they do a paternalistic “if you feel angry, that means I’m right” maneuver? Do they say “well I’m not too concerned if you think I’m right” to the patient?
(Also… FWIW, the most doomsday-cultish emotionally-fraught posts I’ve seen in the rationality community are, by percentage of posts, mostly from people who agree with Ziz a lot, people who are generally against AI safety / longtermist priorities, and you.
The most doomsdayish I’ve seen LW get was “Death with Dignity” (which many community members pushed back on the tone of!), and my own FTX post.
I’m not available for critiques of how I’ve said what I’ve said here.
You’re welcome to translate it into your preferred frame. I might even like that, and might learn from it.
But I’m not going to engage with challenges to how I speak.