A different frame on what I see as the same puzzle:
If faced with the choice, would you rather self-deceive, or die?
It sure looks like the sane choice is self-deception. You might be able to unwind that over time, whereas death is hard to recover from.
Sadly, this means you can be manipulated and confused via the right kind of threat, and it’ll be harder and harder for you over time to notice these confusions.
You can even get so confused you don’t actually recognize what is and isn’t death — which means that malicious (to you) forces can have some sway over the process of your own self-deception.
It’s a bit like the logic of “Don’t negotiate with terrorists”:
The more scenarios in which you can precommit to choosing death over self-deception, the less incentive any force will have to try to present you with such a choice, and thus the more reliably clear your thinking will be (at least on this axis).
It just means you sincerely have to be willing to choose to die.
Hmm, I am trying to see if it is really the same puzzle?? The self-deception I see, since if you get the opposite of whatever you choose then it motivates you to self-deceive so that you’ll choose the opposite of whatever you want to get. But then why is the alternative death? Ah well, maybe it’ll make sense to me later.
A different frame on what I see as the same puzzle:
If faced with the choice, would you rather self-deceive, or die?
It sure looks like the sane choice is self-deception. You might be able to unwind that over time, whereas death is hard to recover from.
Sadly, this means you can be manipulated and confused via the right kind of threat, and it’ll be harder and harder for you over time to notice these confusions.
You can even get so confused you don’t actually recognize what is and isn’t death — which means that malicious (to you) forces can have some sway over the process of your own self-deception.
It’s a bit like the logic of “Don’t negotiate with terrorists”:
The more scenarios in which you can precommit to choosing death over self-deception, the less incentive any force will have to try to present you with such a choice, and thus the more reliably clear your thinking will be (at least on this axis).
It just means you sincerely have to be willing to choose to die.
Hmm, I am trying to see if it is really the same puzzle?? The self-deception I see, since if you get the opposite of whatever you choose then it motivates you to self-deceive so that you’ll choose the opposite of whatever you want to get. But then why is the alternative death? Ah well, maybe it’ll make sense to me later.