Yeah, not clear what this particular scenario would have looked like then. “We succeed financially, we get good feedback from satisfied customers, but our rationality training doesn’t seem to make the alumni measurably more “rational”, and so we stop.”
I mean, at my very first CFAR workshop (2012, I think?), I was of the opinion “come on guys, it’s almost all selection effects, I’m here for the networking / actually meeting people off the internet”, and so to some extent that me wouldn’t have been that surprised. If anything, I think he would have been positively surprised that CFAR generated a handful of techniques that seem real to me, and also popularized some techniques that seem real to me that I’m not sure I would have otherwise come across (mostly Circling; Focusing I already would have come across from looking up the Litany of Gendlin, I think.).
Minor point: Yes, your workshop was May 2012. That was CFAR’s first workshop (what was then still called a “minicamp” due to CFAR’s spiritual predecessor).
Yeah, not clear what this particular scenario would have looked like then. “We succeed financially, we get good feedback from satisfied customers, but our rationality training doesn’t seem to make the alumni measurably more “rational”, and so we stop.”
I mean, at my very first CFAR workshop (2012, I think?), I was of the opinion “come on guys, it’s almost all selection effects, I’m here for the networking / actually meeting people off the internet”, and so to some extent that me wouldn’t have been that surprised. If anything, I think he would have been positively surprised that CFAR generated a handful of techniques that seem real to me, and also popularized some techniques that seem real to me that I’m not sure I would have otherwise come across (mostly Circling; Focusing I already would have come across from looking up the Litany of Gendlin, I think.).
Minor point: Yes, your workshop was May 2012. That was CFAR’s first workshop (what was then still called a “minicamp” due to CFAR’s spiritual predecessor).
I mean, that kind of is the idea in Eliezer’s post “Schools proliferating without evidence,” from two years before CFAR was founded.
(Minus the “so we stop” part.)