Ray, let’s compare notes about group houses in SF offline. I know of a couple but not many, and I’d be interested to know of more. (And I prefer to talk about people’s homes in a less public forum).
I’m noticing an error I’ve been making, which is to be sort of fatalistic about community in SF rather than gathering data and making plans.
My experience in Seattle was 2x − 3x more Village-like than my experience in Berkeley. Caveat that I also didn’t live in Berkeley, first I lived in Oakland near Leverage and now I live in San Francisco.
Seattle’s community is small enough to have one primary group house where parties happen and people congregate, so it really felt like one extended social group, whereas in Berkeley it feels like there are many. Some people in Seattle also feel very proud of their community (myself included, even though I’ve moved here), which to me suggests a village-ness. I get the sense that in Seattle the focus is more the Village than the Mission, which then has the problem you mentioned of agenty mission-oriented people moving to other places.
I do think Seattle, like Berkeley, should aspire to be a “true village”, since many people there desire this, and the benefits are large. I also think having multiple successful villages would strengthen the [global] community overall. I think Seattle has the advantage that it is small and centralized, and Berkeley has the advantage that it has more Mission energy.
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I think there is a distinction between village and home, and that they can have somewhat different focused. That a home can be home centered while a village can be mission-centered. I’m not sure this is the ideal arrangement, but I put some weight on it being so.
The alternative is to live in a village that is not mission centered. I’m worried that will preclude many kinds of successful missions.
1. How do you think about San Francisco / Oakland / other parts of the bay area, as they relate the Berkeley community? Personally, I wish there were more centers of community in SF. Both areas are near enough to each other that I think it’s possible to make a village that contains people in the adjacent towns, but the commute and network dynamics makes this a bit tricky. I haven’t figured out an ideal vision for this, but I have the sense that there are opportunities here (in SF and other parts of the bay area) that haven’t been explored.
II. Community based religions have churches in many places. I grew up Seventh Day Adventist, and there were Adventist churches in most states and many countries. Whenever a Seventh Day Adventist moves, they find their nearest church and start attending. I wonder if it would be possible / desirable to cultivate this type of network of communities. There already exists some of this between Seattle, the bay, New York, Boston, and elsewhere, but I think it could be intentionally cultivated.
Mission requires people in different places. Oxford, the bay area, and DC are three places where there are cluster of longterm-future-Mission oriented people, who all believe they need to be in those places in order to be able to work on their mission effectively.
I appreciated how Zvi presented different models of paths to AGI. People do believe many of these different models—I hear people discuss them in physical space conversation—but I haven’t seen many of these presented on the internet, apart from random Facebook discussion. Even if models are wrong, if people have put effort into them it’s useful to articulate them.