Thanks for pointing that out! My goal is to highlight that there are at least 3 different sequencing factors necessary for deceptive alignment to emerge:
Goal directedness coming before an understanding of the base goal
Long-term goals coming before or around the same time as an understanding of the base goal
Situational awareness coming before or around the same time as an understanding of the base goal
The post you linked to talked about the importance of sequencing for #3, but it seems to assume that goal directedness will come first (#1) without discussion of sequencing. Long-term goals (#2) are described as happening as a result of an inductive bias toward deceptive alignment, and sequencing is not highlighted for that property. Please let me know if I missed anything in your post, and apologies in advance if that’s the case.
Do you agree that these three property development orders are necessary for deception?
Nate, please correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like you:
Skimmed, but did not read, a 3,000-word essay
Posted a 1,200-word response that clearly stated that you hadn’t read it properly
Ignored a comment by one of the post’s authors saying you thoroughly misunderstood their post and a comment by the other author offering to have a conversation with you about it
Found a different person to talk to about their views (Ronny), who also had not read their post
Participated in a 7,500-word dialogue with Ronny in which you speculated about what the core arguments of the original post might be and your disagreements
You’ve clearly put a lot of time into this. If you want to understand the argument, why not just read the original post and talk to the authors directly? It’s very well-written.