To me, this felt more like speculation which was certainly informed by many things I’ve read in the past but nothing particular came to mind with the exception of the obvious reference to Deleuze. A kind of applied Deleuzian psychiatry, although I’m not sure he would agree with this sort of application. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Oedipus#Desiring_machines_and_social_production)
Good point regarding Focusing, and I do agree that it is closely related. I’ve only listened to the audiobook, is there a work by Gendlin you would recommend? Upon reflection, it seems one of the main insights I was trying to point at here is the lack of logical connection between the qualia of desire and the object it seeks (the machine it seeks to connect to, in D&G’s terminology). The mental act of seeking out levers to pull would be equivalent to Focusing here, I think?
Good point regarding Focusing, and I do agree that it is closely related. I’ve only listened to the audiobook, is there a work by Gendlin you would recommend?
I personally had enough training from other sources to pick up the technique from the book. From what I have seen with how various people in this community interact with Focusing, it’s however not easy to pick up all the skills from a book.
I have successfully taught the technique to LW people who had trouble getting it to work by in-person teaching but there are people whom I didn’t teach the skill successfully. In those circumstances reading a book won’t do the trick either.
The connection isn’t logical but if you connect with the physical sensation and give the feeling a handle it’s possible to ask questions about what’s needed for the release. It’s just about connecting with your mind on a level where you listen.
The qualia of the physical sensation alone isn’t enough. It also needs a connection to that qualia, the resonating handle, a question and listening but it’s not required to actually try different solutions to see whether on of those solutions releases the feeling. The feeling knows what it needs.
Even outside of that deliberate process a lot of the information is available through normal intuition.
To me, this felt more like speculation which was certainly informed by many things I’ve read in the past but nothing particular came to mind with the exception of the obvious reference to Deleuze. A kind of applied Deleuzian psychiatry, although I’m not sure he would agree with this sort of application. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Oedipus#Desiring_machines_and_social_production)
Good point regarding Focusing, and I do agree that it is closely related. I’ve only listened to the audiobook, is there a work by Gendlin you would recommend? Upon reflection, it seems one of the main insights I was trying to point at here is the lack of logical connection between the qualia of desire and the object it seeks (the machine it seeks to connect to, in D&G’s terminology). The mental act of seeking out levers to pull would be equivalent to Focusing here, I think?
I personally had enough training from other sources to pick up the technique from the book. From what I have seen with how various people in this community interact with Focusing, it’s however not easy to pick up all the skills from a book. I have successfully taught the technique to LW people who had trouble getting it to work by in-person teaching but there are people whom I didn’t teach the skill successfully. In those circumstances reading a book won’t do the trick either.
The connection isn’t logical but if you connect with the physical sensation and give the feeling a handle it’s possible to ask questions about what’s needed for the release. It’s just about connecting with your mind on a level where you listen.
The qualia of the physical sensation alone isn’t enough. It also needs a connection to that qualia, the resonating handle, a question and listening but it’s not required to actually try different solutions to see whether on of those solutions releases the feeling. The feeling knows what it needs.
Even outside of that deliberate process a lot of the information is available through normal intuition.