I think that the general idea of Signal Seeding is both useful and true, but I agree that sleeping late is not a great example (although for different reasons than quanticle).
I used to have the belief of “who cares when I sleep, as long as I get the same amount of work done?” But now I think sleeping late is actually inherently harmful, and pointing to an unhealthy state of being that isn’t just from signalling or other social reasons.
Times when I have been depressed it is really hard to both go to bed and get out of bed. Times when I am well functioning, it’s hard to sleep late. If I am camping or spending large amounts of time outdoors it’s also hard to sleep late (so I don’t think this is a product of the Industrial Revolution).
While depression does alter circadian rhythms, it is also true that there is significant variation in “normal” sleep profiles among humans. Some people naturally rise early, whereas others have a built-in predilection for staying up late and waking up late.
But this isn’t what KatjaGrace was getting at, necessarily. I think they were going after the moral value of getting up early vs. getting up late, and trying to answer why getting up early became the virtuous choice.
I think that the general idea of Signal Seeding is both useful and true, but I agree that sleeping late is not a great example (although for different reasons than quanticle).
I used to have the belief of “who cares when I sleep, as long as I get the same amount of work done?” But now I think sleeping late is actually inherently harmful, and pointing to an unhealthy state of being that isn’t just from signalling or other social reasons.
Times when I have been depressed it is really hard to both go to bed and get out of bed. Times when I am well functioning, it’s hard to sleep late. If I am camping or spending large amounts of time outdoors it’s also hard to sleep late (so I don’t think this is a product of the Industrial Revolution).
While depression does alter circadian rhythms, it is also true that there is significant variation in “normal” sleep profiles among humans. Some people naturally rise early, whereas others have a built-in predilection for staying up late and waking up late.
But this isn’t what KatjaGrace was getting at, necessarily. I think they were going after the moral value of getting up early vs. getting up late, and trying to answer why getting up early became the virtuous choice.