WTF: I get wary when I hear someone state what I should do or how I should view the world.
Wow, and yet you learned how to read and write without anyone ever teaching you? You must be an amazing genius. Either that, or people have been telling you what to do your entire life, but you don’t notice until they hit you over the head with it.
Caledonian: Deeper goals and preferences can result in the creation and destruction of shallower ones—that’s all.
There’s no hierarchical ordering of emotions. They are neither deep nor shallow, they are simply there.
Elliot: What is the reasoning behind disregarding memes?
I don’t think that we have any memetic emotions—I could be wrong but it’s a scary thought. Memes exist in a framework determined by evolved brains; see Tooby and Cosmides’s “The Psychological Foundations of Culture”. I had thought I discussed this in the course of tracing back morals through arguments that appealed to built-in emotions.
I don’t think that we have any memetic emotions—I could be wrong but it’s a scary thought. Memes exist in a framework determined by evolved brains; see Tooby and Cosmides’s “The Psychological Foundations of Culture”. I had thought I discussed this in the course of tracing back morals through arguments that appealed to built-in emotions.
‘Emotions’ are a qualitatively and physiologically distinct set of cognitive algorithms that can be felt particularly strongly from the inside (because they have large effects on muscle tension and homeostasis); but we can definitely build strong qualia for the subjective experience of other cognitive algorithms, especially when they draw on emotions or parts of emotions as subcomponents of themselves. Briefly querying my brain I can’t think of an obvious clear example, but there are contenders, and because human mindspace is big I don’t doubt that some people have memetic emotions (that is, cognitive algorithms with strong qualia that have physiological/homeostatic correlates, or are particularly strong despite the lack of them, that are not evolutionarily programmed but are programmed via powerful memetic transmission).
There are also ‘genetic’ emotions you might never have experienced but for memes. (The jhanas from vipassana meditation come to mind.)
I don’t think that we have any memetic emotions—I could be wrong but it’s a scary thought. Memes exist in a framework determined by evolved brains; see Tooby and Cosmides’s “The Psychological Foundations of Culture”. I had thought I discussed this in the course of tracing back morals through arguments that appealed to built-in emotions.
I’m not sure what you mean by a memetic emotion, but as I understand the phrase, they’re quite common. They’re a lot of why people go to sporting events and concerts—they want to be caught up in a group emotion.
I think that EY is claiming that there are only so many hormones and neurotransmitters, and that they are all “built in” by evolution. You seem to be claiming that we (memetically) learn to trigger these emotions using novel stimuli.
But as to EY’s claim: Is Viagra a memetic emotion? Cocaine? Zoloft? Ethanol? Sniffed glue?
Allan, thanks, fixed.
WTF: I get wary when I hear someone state what I should do or how I should view the world.
Wow, and yet you learned how to read and write without anyone ever teaching you? You must be an amazing genius. Either that, or people have been telling you what to do your entire life, but you don’t notice until they hit you over the head with it.
Caledonian: Deeper goals and preferences can result in the creation and destruction of shallower ones—that’s all.
There’s no hierarchical ordering of emotions. They are neither deep nor shallow, they are simply there.
Elliot: What is the reasoning behind disregarding memes?
I don’t think that we have any memetic emotions—I could be wrong but it’s a scary thought. Memes exist in a framework determined by evolved brains; see Tooby and Cosmides’s “The Psychological Foundations of Culture”. I had thought I discussed this in the course of tracing back morals through arguments that appealed to built-in emotions.
‘Emotions’ are a qualitatively and physiologically distinct set of cognitive algorithms that can be felt particularly strongly from the inside (because they have large effects on muscle tension and homeostasis); but we can definitely build strong qualia for the subjective experience of other cognitive algorithms, especially when they draw on emotions or parts of emotions as subcomponents of themselves. Briefly querying my brain I can’t think of an obvious clear example, but there are contenders, and because human mindspace is big I don’t doubt that some people have memetic emotions (that is, cognitive algorithms with strong qualia that have physiological/homeostatic correlates, or are particularly strong despite the lack of them, that are not evolutionarily programmed but are programmed via powerful memetic transmission).
There are also ‘genetic’ emotions you might never have experienced but for memes. (The jhanas from vipassana meditation come to mind.)
I’m not sure what you mean by a memetic emotion, but as I understand the phrase, they’re quite common. They’re a lot of why people go to sporting events and concerts—they want to be caught up in a group emotion.
I think that EY is claiming that there are only so many hormones and neurotransmitters, and that they are all “built in” by evolution. You seem to be claiming that we (memetically) learn to trigger these emotions using novel stimuli.
But as to EY’s claim: Is Viagra a memetic emotion? Cocaine? Zoloft? Ethanol? Sniffed glue?