That sounds similar to what I called “Option 3”; “You gradually change or improve the community while doing minor self censorship.”.
I think that doing this is highly challenging and very far from being trivial. Online you can often barely tell who your followers are for one. I think that one should try to do things like you mention, but don’t think it’s enough in most settings, for people with sizeable (thousands of people + ) audiences.
I think I was mislead by the words “gradually” and “community” in option 3. I think that direct opposition to the bad actions as distinct option. It does improve the community (by removing the bad), and I guess it’s gradual because there’s always more, but it didn’t feel the same to me.
I don’t claim it’s trivial, but it’s not impossible—you know about the problem, because it’s the problem you’re reacting to! “the criminals who do X are not part of our community—everyone please shun them” is a minimum, and in some cases you can follow up with actual specifics.
Note—I don’t have any significant public presence, so I may be severely underestimating the complexity. I still think the discovery problem is inversely correlated with the severity of the problem itself. Note also that I’m not paying much attention to EA forum, so if there is a specific problem that this is generalizing from (which is implied but not explained in the EA comments), it may be different from the examples available to me.
Thanks for the feedback!
That sounds similar to what I called “Option 3”; “You gradually change or improve the community while doing minor self censorship.”.
I think that doing this is highly challenging and very far from being trivial. Online you can often barely tell who your followers are for one. I think that one should try to do things like you mention, but don’t think it’s enough in most settings, for people with sizeable (thousands of people + ) audiences.
I think I was mislead by the words “gradually” and “community” in option 3. I think that direct opposition to the bad actions as distinct option. It does improve the community (by removing the bad), and I guess it’s gradual because there’s always more, but it didn’t feel the same to me.
I don’t claim it’s trivial, but it’s not impossible—you know about the problem, because it’s the problem you’re reacting to! “the criminals who do X are not part of our community—everyone please shun them” is a minimum, and in some cases you can follow up with actual specifics.
Note—I don’t have any significant public presence, so I may be severely underestimating the complexity. I still think the discovery problem is inversely correlated with the severity of the problem itself. Note also that I’m not paying much attention to EA forum, so if there is a specific problem that this is generalizing from (which is implied but not explained in the EA comments), it may be different from the examples available to me.